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How to start a psytrance label?!

Fubalone
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 1, 2006 17:16
hey guys, i can imagine what it takes to start a new label, but could n1 tell me the "exacts" costs....
any information would be great!

plz email me with some info:
fubalone@hotmail.com, or feel free to add me @ msn

thanks in advance
NeuroGlitch


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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 15:27
speak to ZionLinguist, he started a label i think last year - MMD records. As far as I know, he didnt have a lot to work with, now the label is getting BIG names on it's track lists.
fregle
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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 15:53
well, first of all, put it firmly in ur head that u will very probably not sell more then 2000 copies, so don't press more then 2000!! I'd start out with 1000, if everything goes rght u can order another 1000... Look around for the cheapest printing company. Keep in mind that printing the cd's will cost 2000€. The mastering will cost around 1000€, some are cheaper, like ka-sol, some more expensive, like artifakt... U will need to pay ur artists, u can choose to go for a single payment or for royalties... Royalties are a lot harder to control (always calculating which percentage has to go to the artists and then giving them the money becomes irritating and too time-consuming) so i would opt for the single payment... A less known artist will be happy with 200€ per song, but a well known artist will be more expensive... Watch out with that, don't buy too many expensive songs or u will lose money. Don't expect to gain money either, be happy if u get ur money back... Promotion is also very important. You will have to give away a lot of cd's to reviewers, dj's, artists. To get ur cd known. Also, drag around a carton of them to parties, like that u make more money on every cd u sell. If possible try to do distributoion urself... It's not that hard in the pcyscene, there aren't a lot of online stores, and not a lot of local stores either. But they might refuse to buy them if it doesn't come from a known distributer like wirikuta... That being said, if u start up as label owner wirikuta might not want to take the risk either, so the first time u will probably be obligated to do the distribution urself... If u have some known names on the cd this will be easier. Having a distributer is not a guarantee that it will sell better, but ur cd will be more available, so u have more chances that it will be a succes. Most important of all is that u need to have at least 3000€ to pay most of the costs (not even all the costs), and be prepared to lose part of that amount, especially the first time u will very very probably lose money...
Jikkenteki
Jikkenteki

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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 16:17
In addition to the info above....

If you want some really "real world" numbers for now-a-days, don't expect to sell more than 500 copies even, but print 1000 anyways as the price difference between 500 and 1000 is almost nothing. Giving away copies is a great idea (trust me you'll have tons of extras), but DON'T focus only on giving them only to DJs and reviewers (be a bit selective here and give them to the people who can actually help you out. Most DJs will just throw the CD in their "hey, I'm lucky" pile and probably only listen to it a couple times and if you're lucky play it out once). Instead focus on gietting them to the actual people on the dance floor. You'll get a lot more loyal of a fan base, better promotion for your artists, and more people remembering you and wanting to see your artists live if you give a healthy amount to the regular fans on the dancefloor. These, after all, are the people who pay to come to the parties and the people you want to keep coming back. Some goodwill to these people goes a long way.           New Album: Jikkenteki - Flights Of Infinity
Available for free at http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/jikkenteki-flights-of-infinity/
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Braindrop
Braindrop

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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 21:58
Quote:

On 2006-06-26 15:53, FREGLE wrote:
well, first of all, put it firmly in ur head that u will very probably not sell more then 2000 copies, so don't press more then 2000!! I'd start out with 1000, if everything goes rght u can order another 1000... Look around for the cheapest printing company. Keep in mind that printing the cd's will cost 2000€. The mastering will cost around 1000€, some are cheaper, like ka-sol, some more expensive, like artifakt... U will need to pay ur artists, u can choose to go for a single payment or for royalties... Royalties are a lot harder to control (always calculating which percentage has to go to the artists and then giving them the money becomes irritating and too time-consuming) so i would opt for the single payment... A less known artist will be happy with 200€ per song, but a well known artist will be more expensive... Watch out with that, don't buy too many expensive songs or u will lose money. Don't expect to gain money either, be happy if u get ur money back... Promotion is also very important. You will have to give away a lot of cd's to reviewers, dj's, artists. To get ur cd known. Also, drag around a carton of them to parties, like that u make more money on every cd u sell. If possible try to do distributoion urself... It's not that hard in the pcyscene, there aren't a lot of online stores, and not a lot of local stores either. But they might refuse to buy them if it doesn't come from a known distributer like wirikuta... That being said, if u start up as label owner wirikuta might not want to take the risk either, so the first time u will probably be obligated to do the distribution urself... If u have some known names on the cd this will be easier. Having a distributer is not a guarantee that it will sell better, but ur cd will be more available, so u have more chances that it will be a succes. Most important of all is that u need to have at least 3000€ to pay most of the costs (not even all the costs), and be prepared to lose part of that amount, especially the first time u will very very probably lose money...



Quote:

On 2006-06-26 16:17, Jikkenteki wrote:
In addition to the info above....

If you want some really "real world" numbers for now-a-days, don't expect to sell more than 500 copies even, but print 1000 anyways as the price difference between 500 and 1000 is almost nothing. Giving away copies is a great idea (trust me you'll have tons of extras), but DON'T focus only on giving them only to DJs and reviewers (be a bit selective here and give them to the people who can actually help you out. Most DJs will just throw the CD in their "hey, I'm lucky" pile and probably only listen to it a couple times and if you're lucky play it out once). Instead focus on gietting them to the actual people on the dance floor. You'll get a lot more loyal of a fan base, better promotion for your artists, and more people remembering you and wanting to see your artists live if you give a healthy amount to the regular fans on the dancefloor. These, after all, are the people who pay to come to the parties and the people you want to keep coming back. Some goodwill to these people goes a long way.





great info guys....was just the stuff i was looking for! thanks a zillion!
BOOM!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 02:38
If you're not going to pay royalties to your artists, make it clear on the contracts that this is the case. Otherwise you'll just be another fucking label who doesn't pay their fucking royalties.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 05:22
site , graphics , printing the artwork , print the cd , plastic cover (digipack might be more expensive) , probably some merchendise wont hurt like t-shirts and stickers , music (artists payment) , distro. (i heard arabesque is the best around price view) , hmm ... i think thats it ?           www.sattelbattle.com
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 07:08
dont bother my friend .. its a very risky business with little or no returns .. that is of course if u plan to launch half decent ``psy`` music .. theres so many labels popping up every week now releasing similar music .. buy some equipment and make some music yourself if u want so badly to contribute to this scene ..

well .. my 2 cents

bom
cytopia
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 12:38
The reality of today was demonstrated quite clearly to me this week. My friend Prahlad has two tracks comming out on "Avatar V/A Terminal 2".

BEFORE the release of the CD, the full V/A is available online P2P (friend sent me link and i downloaded). Apparently one of the DJ's they gave a promo to managed to rip it into mp3 and put it on the NET.

Definate reason to think twice about investing. Accordnig to Avatar this kind of thing is "normal". Its a shame though; sales have declined since CD and copying and ripping onto NET; making investments riskier.           Cytopia.org
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hummingbird


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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 14:48
Quote:

distro. (i heard arabesque is the best around price view)



Question...

How does distribution work ?

Do you pay the distribution company a fee to distribute your cd's or what ?

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Soth_MfK
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 15:00
very interesting topic ... please keep us informed more !
duncan


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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 15:21
soon there are more labels than artists so i would not take the risk unless you have something very special to come up with
Jikkenteki
Jikkenteki

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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 15:33
There is a great thread in the Japan section here ( http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/41753/forum/16 ) that started back in 2004 looking at distribution and general sales in the psy-scene in what was generally considered Psy-trance's last great market. Reading through it up to the present I think is fairly revealing on how the scene is today.

Regarding Arabesque, I've also heard they are probably the best right now, but they also seem to be very selective about what they distribute (which is probably a major reason in why they are successful). Generally distributors will take a certain amount of your product, and pay you for what they sell. How reliable they are varies from company to company.

If you really want to move product, you're going to have to be creative as well as the "usual channels" aren't doing so much these days. One thing we at PAR-2 have started doing (and a few other smaller labels I've mentioned this too have started doing the same as well), is when we have a label related party (cd release or whatever), we include the cost of a CD (a hair over our cost, not the retail price at stores) in the cover charge to get into the party. This has been pretty effective as the cost to the fans isn't really that much so they often don't even notice the price difference and think they are getting the CD for free. More over, EVERYONE who comes to the party leaves with a CD. This makes the party more memorable for them and makes it so that they will actually listen to and probably remember our artists afterward, increase their name recognition and, hopefully, their fan base as well. With CD release parties we obviously give everyone the new release in question, and for other parties, we give them a choice of any one of our releases to date.

Ideas like this can really help when more often than not there is a very serious question as to whether you will make your money back on a release (for the record, we at PAR-2 haven't yet and don't expect to anytime in the foreseeable future).           New Album: Jikkenteki - Flights Of Infinity
Available for free at http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/jikkenteki-flights-of-infinity/
PAR-2 Productions http://www.par-2.com
hummingbird


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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 15:37
Tx Jikkenteki!           http://soundcloud.com/seasons_end
koalakube
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 17:03
Unless you personally know the distributors,Id pay attention to deal with the ones who offer also pressing service.

my 2 cents
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