Geom3
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Posted : Mar 31, 2013 23:04
whats the rush? not unless youv just started production in your 60's haaa
frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 1, 2013 15:59
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On 2013-03-31 23:04, Geom3 wrote:
whats the rush? not unless youv just started production in your 60's haaa
I think it's not so much a matter of rushing things, but using time spent producing in a more efficient way, so as to get things done. We all come across such issues. Using key commands, or a more streamlined work flow, shortens the time between the idea (conception), and its form (execution). In other words: results come faster, even if it's just a preview. It certainly depends on the software used and how much familiar one is with it. That's why taking the time to learn in throughly helps in getting the job done faster and better, later on. I think this is an interesting subject.
For example, in Logic the addiction of "bounce in place" function has made a big difference. Before you had to create a key shortcut yourself (if you knew how to). And the list goes on and on.
If you don't have the time to compete with the artists then don't be one. Use your time more efficiently for other endeavours.
Unfortunately it takes understanding, planning, investment, tweaking = love and caring.
Again, don't waste your precious time on earth if you don't love it enough to give up anything and everything for it, including income. Otherwise you will be saturating an already bloated market of flakey dilettantes dishing out repetitive formulaic crap ad nauseum.
If you don't have the time to compete with the artists then don't be one. Use your time more efficiently for other endeavours.
Unfortunately it takes understanding, planning, investment, tweaking = love and caring.
Again, don't waste your precious time on earth if you don't love it enough to give up anything and everything for it, including income. Otherwise you will be saturating an already bloated market of flakey dilettantes dishing out repetitive formulaic crap ad nauseum.
To give you an example of what music should be like.
best composition I heard in a long time. i.e.
Beautiful use of contrast, balance, harmonic monotony and dynamics, prosody and groove on lyrics, harmonic emphasis on lyrics. consonance and dissonance reflecting and driving the lyrics. A song writer from the 1st world...
I just wanted to leave behind an inspiration I have been confronted with about art.
“the job of the artist is not to succumb to despair, but to find an antidote for the emptiness of existence.” Woody Allen
I think in that sense an artist is like an entrepreneur, creating out of seemingly nothing a new realization of possibility. Businesses die, and new ones are born cannibalizing the old. Like maggots or parasites eating a weak animal from the inside out. Renewing the world in all its whites, blacks and grays.
The quote hints at what life is really like, an unstable pencil tip being pushed forward on a finger, never stable, never certain, always just just making it against all odds, mostly morality never entering into it.
Handing over to the next generation the same pains and tribulations to be repeated for as long as life can make it, in the darkest times by pure will and hope.
Thats what art expresses. Mimicry is not art. Art has to leave you different than you were for it to be art.
But the question is, if the "art" has no content, then is it "art"?
willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 11, 2013 17:19
I find it interesting that one has the balls/gall to say 'what is and is not art' or 'if you dont have the time to spend you might as well stop'
and your 'example of what music should be like' doesn't sound interesting to me at all. It sounds like an example of, as you put it, 'flakey dilettante dishing out repetitive formulaic crap ad nauseum.' It's entirely possible she's a good person but I don't like her music. Anything wrong with that?
Some people thrive and make their art and considerable income on 'cheap/fast' pieces - the rise of 'art in x seconds' pieces on youtube and stuff are an easy example...
Art is individual, it is based on the individual's taste and as the great latin saying goes, De gustibus non est disputandum - there's no disputing taste.
The moment you start putting up rules for what is and is not art or what is and is not 'good' art you are entering a conversation that is for all intents and purposes useless drivel.
I'm sure there is art out there that I like for whatever reason and you don't. What do we gain by arguing about it?
and to top it off, you quote Woody Allen and say 'this quote hints at what life is really like' as if you are a freakin guru who knows the meaning of life or something?
Personally I wouldn't take ultimate life advice from someone who fucked and married his adopted daughter but hey whatever floats your boat.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 11, 2013 17:48
It's also true that through raves we remembered something that was long lost in our civilization, in western ways of making art: the ritual, the experience of sharing art together, and how this conveys a sense of unity and collective mind changing experiences. This was before the individualism took hold of us, before we turned creation into some sort of ego competition, as restless as the need for success in a world growing greedier every day.
What I feel (at least in music) is that your contribution is nothing more then that. It's a language being formed, developing, and we're all growing with each other. Music is language. It's something we can use to have massive collective experiences, like condensed thoughts that also carry with them the energy to propel us to other states of mind. And we're pretty good at it. And for sure it's all made against the current tides of economic survival in this world dominated by economic cartels and power structures growing stronger and more efficient. It's worth the shot!
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Posted : Apr 11, 2013 18:21
faster have nothing to do with the quality of the final result..some artists have made psytrance hits in one day.
imo it can help to not mix too much different influence and loose the initial energy that made you start the tune that way.
also when i really feel the flow and have lot of things to share in the music,energy ect..and really feel the trance , it don t last more than few days usually..so better take advantage of that time and advance fast imo. you need to be on the same state of trance than the guys that will listen to it for great flow, to know excltay where to break, where to put each sound at the right place..if you dont feel that it make a other tune just good at lisetning on a sofa and not much dancefloor potential .
to stay long period in that state of trance it s hard..or you need to go in parties every week maybe to get the energy..
Willsanquil - so the mantra on isra is still "there are no standards" and there never will be? Art according to a dunce still has to have full credibility?
Anyway, I have my perspective and you do yours - So what art do you like?
willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 11, 2013 20:19
It doesn't particularly matter which art I like - though I am particularly drawn towards 4/4 based dance music with what I consider 'good' sound design and production quality.
It's all relative to the individual. I am hyper aware of certain things in music that non-producers totally don't hear and so I might judge something as good while they won't or vice versa - some people may be perfectly thrilled with the vibe of a track and they ignore its production value while I might discard it out of hand for its production.
Does that make me more right? Is my opinion more valid because I have multiple reasons behind it?
I don't understand why realizing or proposing the concept of art is individual and relative necessarily equates to 'art according to the dunce'.
We do each have our own perspectives - and we can even have a conversation about a piece of art from a technical standpoint. The texture advantages of an oil painting vs a print, the coloration of x compressor vs y compressor, the sound of this mic or that mic, the difference between a great mastering job and a poor mastering job.
However, once we start making statements like 'this is what art should be' and setting up dos and do nots then we're entering very slippery territory IMO.
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Apr 11, 2013 21:56
“the job of the artist is not to succumb to despair, but to find an antidote for the emptiness of existence.”
Great ecstatic sentence like it very much
Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si
