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Oni Katsu
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 12:47
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i have a short question about kicks, didnt want to make a whole topic about it.
But is there some way to shorten the kick sample itself, instead of slicing off the part that overrides the bassnote?
preferably inside the DAW. ?
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marcz
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 16:40
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On 2010-11-15 12:47, Oni Katsu wrote:
i have a short question about kicks, didnt want to make a whole topic about it.
But is there some way to shorten the kick sample itself, instead of slicing off the part that overrides the bassnote?
preferably inside the DAW. ?
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faders, in or out!
what daw u using? |
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 17:14
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 18:25
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On 2010-11-15 16:40, marcz wrote:
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On 2010-11-15 12:47, Oni Katsu wrote:
i have a short question about kicks, didnt want to make a whole topic about it.
But is there some way to shorten the kick sample itself, instead of slicing off the part that overrides the bassnote?
preferably inside the DAW. ?
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faders, in or out!
what daw u using?
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+1... very easy in fl studio dont noe abt the other softwares  |
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daark
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 20:25
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 01:05
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On 2010-11-15 20:25, daark wrote:
anyone sidechained a sidechain?
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thts somethin new... how and why would u do tht? |
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Suloo
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 01:27
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you mean sidechain the trigger signal itself?
Why not, multiple sidechain makes sense, for example you sidechain you bass with the kick as trigger. then you could group every single sound into one group except of vocals for example and duck all the sounds with about 1DB Gain Reduction with the vocals as trigger.Its common practise in US Music productions.
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 01:57
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On 2010-11-15 17:14, kabbalisticvillage wrote:
what is the point of sidechaining
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to have giant kick plus giant bass and not having that distortion and rumble that usualy comes with it from sub section.
actually good thing is just to lower the kick and make sure there is always bass no one can tell where its coming from i have made really fat tracks with kick that sounds like nail on plastic
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Upavas
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 03:13
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On 2010-11-16 01:27, Zork wrote:
you mean sidechain the trigger signal itself?
Why not, multiple sidechain makes sense, for example you sidechain you bass with the kick as trigger. then you could group every single sound into one group except of vocals for example and duck all the sounds with about 1DB Gain Reduction with the vocals as trigger.Its common practise in US Music productions.
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Colin had a certain sidechain trick there, what was it???
The point of sidechaining is that your k&b low frequencies don't sit on top of each other. It gives you a little more dynamic range in your mix! And sounds cleaner, try a b-ing it, hear for yourself!
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Plasmorh
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Posted : Dec 2, 2010 06:10
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On 2010-11-13 03:37, Upavas wrote:
I like db audioware sidechain compressor, uncomplicated, simple and works like a charm!
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Vermeee
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Posted : Dec 2, 2010 11:47
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On 2010-11-16 03:13, Upavas wrote:
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On 2010-11-16 01:27, Zork wrote:
you mean sidechain the trigger signal itself?
Why not, multiple sidechain makes sense, for example you sidechain you bass with the kick as trigger. then you could group every single sound into one group except of vocals for example and duck all the sounds with about 1DB Gain Reduction with the vocals as trigger.Its common practise in US Music productions.
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Colin had a certain sidechain trick there, what was it???
The point of sidechaining is that your k&b low frequencies don't sit on top of each other. It gives you a little more dynamic range in your mix! And sounds cleaner, try a b-ing it, hear for yourself!
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i dont know which trick u are speaking of
but there s an really really old topic where someone s teaching some nice tips bout sidechaining and Colin s learnin with it....
i cant find it..... that topic was teachin the sidechain thing and also to analyze the wave after the sidechain to check if it was applied in a smooth way .... if someone has any ideia where s this topic pls link it ....
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 04:58
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On 2010-11-16 03:13, Upavas wrote:
Colin had a certain sidechain trick there, what was it???
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That post is really really old, there are better ways and better plugins to use for doing this (I send stuff I want to sidechain to a phase-inverted MIDI-gated group now, as I don't have any VST3 compressors with proper sidechain inputs).
But if you really want that original post, here it is!
First, create a stereo group, and put the 'C1 comp sc' plugin on it. Then route the bass track to the group (at maximum volume, ie 0dB on the bass fader) and use a PRE-FADER aux send to get the kick to the same group (at maximum volume, ie 0dB on the aux send), with the bass on one side and the kick on the other - hard left and right. I assume you know how to route an aux send to a group. You can pan the aux send of the kick channel to one side of the group by clicking the 'Send display modes' button above the list of sends to see the routing of each send. This means that the bass goes through the group to the outputs, and the kick goes both through the group, and directly to the outputs - and the level of the kick fader DOES NOT affect the kick level going to the group.
Basically the idea is to use the compressor to reduce the level of the group when the kick drum hits... since the bits inbetween the kicks are uncompressed, the effect of this is that the parts of the bassline that fall at the same time as the kick get reduced in volume compared to their level between kicks... if you see what I mean!
So... you send the tracks to the group in their different ways, panned on opposite sides as I said. Pan the group to the centre so that the kick and bass come out of the group in the centre of the stereo field - ie. the group output is in mono. At this point the group will be outputting both the kick and the bass - the kick will probably seem far too loud. Don't worry!
Set C1 'Key mode' parameter so that the side with the kick is doing the compressING and the side with the bass is being compressED, eg. if you have kick L and bass R, set it to 'L->R'. Now the kick channel will no longer play through the group, and the bass channel will be compressed - not by its own dynamics, but by those of the kick. This is called 'sidechaining', where the dynamics of one sound are controlled by the dynamics of another.
Now you can start compressing. Take the kick fader down to zero so you only hear the bass - don't mute the channel though as this might mute the send too. Set the ratio to about 8:1 and adjust the threshold so the gain-reduction meter shows, say, 12dB of compression - this is a lot but it makes hearing what's going on easier. Make the attack as fast as you can - this means the compressor reacts instantly to the kick. You should now be hearing the bass drop in level every time the kick drum hits. Now adjust the release time so that the bass comes back up in level as soon as possible after the kick has finished; this depends on the shape of the kick, the speed of the bassline and how much 'pumping' you want to hear.
You can try EQing the sidechain by clicking the 'EQ Mode' button on the compressor controls until it says'Sidechain'; the compressor EQ now affects the sidechain (ie the kick drum). You can hear the effect of this by clicking 'Sidechain' button in the 'Monitor' section - you will now hear only the kick. If you take all the bass out of the kick here, the compression on the bass will react faster, as it is now reacting only to the 'click' of the kick. To hear the bass again, click 'Audio' in the monitor section.
Once you have got the bass pumping nicely it's time to balance it with the kick. If you've set things up correctly you can change the levels of the bass (using the group fader) and the kick (using its channel fader) as much as you like without affecting the compression. Set things up so that the level of the bass between kicks is good compared to the kick (I try and aim for maybe 2dB lower than the kick, but it's a matter of taste). Now listen to the level of the bass during the kick drum. If it's too low, you need to reduce the compressor ratio (eg to 6:1); if it's too loud you need to compress more. Try experimenting with the Release control.
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 09:12
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Nice tip for sidechaining in FL is to automate the level on the FL balance plugin instead of the volume on either the sample or mixer.
You will always have a consistant sidechain, and can still change the levels easily.
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 10:07
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(I send stuff I want to sidechain to a phase-inverted MIDI-gated group now, as I don't have any VST3 compressors with proper sidechain inputs).
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Another innovative trick, thank you 
But I was referring to a sidechain effect that incorporated at least 3 elements, it wasn't so far back, but I don't know anymore where you posted this Colin, I believe it was this year.
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