jekvan
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Posted : Nov 12, 2010 03:14:06
So,Ive sidechained my bassline by linking kick to bassline volume in the mixer.But I saw tutorials where kick was sidechained to compressor , or even equalizer of bass.
What is the better way to sidechain kick and bass so they will sit well together ?(bassline is gallop).
Thanks in advance.
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Posted : Nov 12, 2010 04:03
personally i prefer link to eq sub (low shelf)
sometimes directly to channel output
cant see any advantage with compressor. maybe there is but i cant tell. there are % of control so thats for me the "tresh" and there is speed thats my "release".
btw i use FL peak controller.
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Posted : Nov 12, 2010 04:57
Which DAW are you using?, in live the compressor would give you the possibility to route the bassline with the kick within the compressor itself, without having to open other tracks & return tracks.
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Posted : Nov 12, 2010 08:31
you can use the velocity of the bassnotes (fast & simple)
taking out certain freqs is advanced and may give you different sounds.
for gallop simple volumcontroll/velocity/sidechaining does the trick.
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Posted : Nov 12, 2010 09:00
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On 2010-11-12 04:03, Elad wrote:
personally i prefer link to eq sub (low shelf)
sometimes directly to channel output
cant see any advantage with compressor. maybe there is but i cant tell. there are % of control so thats for me the "tresh" and there is speed thats my "release".
btw i use FL peak controller.
what do you mean by "link to channel output"?
I instead of sidechain automate an eq so that when the bass and kick are together it is turned on.
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Posted : Nov 12, 2010 09:23
best way is to get it right without compression
and then use subtle side chain compression to pimp my baseline
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Posted : Nov 12, 2010 14:16
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On 2010-11-12 09:00, TuK wrote:
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On 2010-11-12 04:03, Elad wrote:
personally i prefer link to eq sub (low shelf)
sometimes directly to channel output
cant see any advantage with compressor. maybe there is but i cant tell. there are % of control so thats for me the "tresh" and there is speed thats my "release".
btw i use FL peak controller.
what do you mean by "link to channel output"?
I instead of sidechain automate an eq so that when the bass and kick are together it is turned on.
FL peak can send the kick (or any) envelope to any midi message you want
so simply to the channel volume imo is more accurate then compressor.
sometimes i do it also from drumloop to the pad cutoff but then i do it to raise the volume not turning it down
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FL peak can send the kick (or any) envelope to any midi message you want
so simply to the channel volume imo is more accurate then compressor.
it is absolutely the same as a compressor.
it does the same function as a side chain compressor.
the problem if you want to compress the bass and than it becomes buggy with the peak controler.
not more accurate in any way.
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Posted : Nov 12, 2010 18:39
cant really say what will sound best coz everyone has a different taste....
i usually use the peak controller for sidechaining the kick and bass and link the lows of the bass to the kick and it often gives me fruitful results
but i think dere r quiet a few ways to sidechain.... pls do correct me if imm wrong.
its good since this topic has been discussed now. I would like to noe the difference in the mapping forumlas in there while sidechaining. There are so many options and so many videos on it but noe one explains why and what but i have always failed to understand what is the advantage of applying different mapping formulas while sidechaining the kick and bass. If some one could educate me on this would be really gr8!!
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for those who use logic and a compressor that supports sidechaining (like the Pro-C by fabfilter), it is very easy. There is really only one thing that's possibly confusing, and that is that Logic only allows sidechaining to audio channels and NOT to instrument channels even though the output of an instrument is audio... This means that if you use a sampler or synth for your kicks, you have to either bounce the kick channel or send it to an aux channel using a send. You should the disable the output of the aux channel so you don't double the volume of your kick.
Once you have done this, toss the Pro-C (or whatever compressor you want) on your bass channel. in the "sidechain" dropdown menu on your compressor, you will now see aux#whicheveroneyousentyourkickto as an option, and you should select it. In the Pro-C, click on the "expert" tab, and under sidechain, select "ext." which stands for "external". Your compressor will now duck your bass when the kick smacks.
Oh yeah, you should also set the threshold metering mode to peak as it is on RMS by default in the Pro-C. Now just set up the compressor like you want it!
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Posted : Nov 13, 2010 20:09
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On 2010-11-12 18:39, elastic_plastic wrote:
cant really say what will sound best coz everyone has a different taste....
i usually use the peak controller for sidechaining the kick and bass and link the lows of the bass to the kick and it often gives me fruitful results
but i think dere r quiet a few ways to sidechain.... pls do correct me if imm wrong.
its good since this topic has been discussed now. I would like to noe the difference in the mapping forumlas in there while sidechaining. There are so many options and so many videos on it but noe one explains why and what but i have always failed to understand what is the advantage of applying different mapping formulas while sidechaining the kick and bass. If some one could educate me on this would be really gr8!!
Thanks..That was basicaly what I wanted to know.
I sidechained bass and kick because I read in couple of tutorials about it.But to me at least,the bass and kick sit together ok (ok to my untrained noobie ears,probably it can sound much better),and I can't really see the reason for sidechaining.
It sounds somewhat the same for me,so I thought that the reason is not for bass ducking the kick,but for some other pumping effect I don't understand.
So,the new question,why sidechaining the low frequencies,and what frequencies in bass should I choose to sidechain?
Here is how it sounds now:
Also,thank you very very much people.
elastic_plastic
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 01:35
Sidechaining takes one sound and uses it to manipulate another sound. Most often you will see it on compressors, gates, limiters, and expanders. However, it can also be found on vocoders, synthesizers, and other effects. It is a really, really useful feature on compressors and gates because it allows you to place multiple instruments in the same frequency range without clashing. Or, more succinctly, it can make your mix sound really good.
