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How to Pitch my Kick to fit with bass note ?
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Shikoatha-Droid
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Posted : Jul 31, 2011 23:18:38
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Hi,that's my problem...btw im using Presonus Studio One...can u give me some tutorial about it and your personal technique ?  |
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 03:41
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 06:30
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I suggest using bazzism for synthing your kick from scratch. Basically you want the pitched sine waves sweep to end at the fundamental of your bass note...
So find the freq of the fundamental with an analyzer, set the end of the sweep to that and then tweak the rest of the parameters to taste.
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 12:15
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On 2011-08-01 06:30, willsanquil wrote:
I suggest using bazzism for synthing your kick from scratch. Basically you want the pitched sine waves sweep to end at the fundamental of your bass note...
So find the freq of the fundamental with an analyzer, set the end of the sweep to that and then tweak the rest of the parameters to taste.
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Actually, the kicksynth VST i'm designing atm takes midi note input and plays a kick sound that ends it's sweep on that particular note. Besides it being fun for pitching up/down kick in breaks/ups/downs, it also lets you decide exactly the note of the kick sound.
Makes it a lot easier to match tonality of kick/bass 
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 12:20
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On 2011-07-31 23:18:38, PsyPriest wrote:
Hi,that's my problem...btw im using Presonus Studio One...can u give me some tutorial about it and your personal technique ?
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Often, if you play the kick sample an octave or two higher than it's original note, then it is much easier to hear what note the kick has. Analyzers might also have an easier time giving a more correct result.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 14:09
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The old school way of pitching kicks that works with everything. Find the synth you want to create your kick with. Select a single oscillator, sine waveform.
Press the note where your fundamental of your bassline is at, should you want to use a kick of the same frequency as the fundamental of your bassline.
Then assign an ADSR to modulate the pitch of your oscillator in order to shape the sweep of the sine wave to your taste, but make sure the pitch ADSR is done modulating the pitch before the amp ADSR releases, in order to get the tuned tail of the kick that carries the bottom end information.
Now you can also get a tuned click but that you have to do by ear and by plaing around with modulation index and decay pararemeter.
The real old school way of doing this, ala SH-101, old modular synth or any synthesiser that has a filter that will self oscillate at maximum resonance is similar but you have to tune the filter cut off to the same note of your bassline's fundamental (again IF you want the same note).
One way is to use your ears to tune it.
Another way is to use a tuner (like the ones you have to tune guitars that are included free in DAWs).
Again make sure the attack is at 0, decay is the paramater which determines how fast the sine wave/cut-off frequency will sweep but the sustain needs to be at 0 if you've tuned the cut-off to be right with a pitch envelope modulation index that is at 0, that is not modulating the filter at all.
Then increase the modulation idex of the ADSR that controls the cut-off frequency and combine that with the decay parameter of the ADSR that modulates the cut-off frequency, to get the desired kick sound.
If you're using Logic you have Ultrabeat which makes life very easy, as all values are shown in notes and sounds great.
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 14:39
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The real old school way of doing this, ala SH-101, old modular synth or any synthesiser that has a filter that will self oscillate at maximum resonance
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Selfoscillation is in fact just a sine wave. And the reason for using the filter for sinewave generation is that many of these old synths didn't have a sinewave oscillator, like the SH-101 with it's saw, square and pulse waves.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 15:15
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On 2011-08-01 14:39, Audiosonic wrote:
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The real old school way of doing this, ala SH-101, old modular synth or any synthesiser that has a filter that will self oscillate at maximum resonance
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Selfoscillation is in fact just a sine wave. And the reason for using the filter for sinewave generation is that many of these old synths didn't have a sinewave oscillator, like the SH-101 with it's saw, square and pulse waves.
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yup, which is why I said its the real old school way 
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 12:21
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On 2011-08-01 14:09, disco hooligans wrote:
The old school way of pitching kicks that works with everything. Find the synth you want to create your kick with. Select a single oscillator, sine waveform.
Press the note where your fundamental of your bassline is at, should you want to use a kick of the same frequency as the fundamental of your bassline.
Then assign an ADSR to modulate the pitch of your oscillator in order to shape the sweep of the sine wave to your taste, but make sure the pitch ADSR is done modulating the pitch before the amp ADSR releases, in order to get the tuned tail of the kick that carries the bottom end information.
Now you can also get a tuned click but that you have to do by ear and by plaing around with modulation index and decay pararemeter.
The real old school way of doing this, ala SH-101, old modular synth or any synthesiser that has a filter that will self oscillate at maximum resonance is similar but you have to tune the filter cut off to the same note of your bassline's fundamental (again IF you want the same note).
One way is to use your ears to tune it.
Another way is to use a tuner (like the ones you have to tune guitars that are included free in DAWs).
Again make sure the attack is at 0, decay is the paramater which determines how fast the sine wave/cut-off frequency will sweep but the sustain needs to be at 0 if you've tuned the cut-off to be right with a pitch envelope modulation index that is at 0, that is not modulating the filter at all.
Then increase the modulation idex of the ADSR that controls the cut-off frequency and combine that with the decay parameter of the ADSR that modulates the cut-off frequency, to get the desired kick sound.
If you're using Logic you have Ultrabeat which makes life very easy, as all values are shown in notes and sounds great.
Peace out.
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your a genius m8!!! |
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dharmatronic
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 16:28
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 17:30
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the question is, is it better to get your kick tail tuned or to get it around the frequencies it sound the best on pa speakers ...only in psytrance and in this forum i have seen producers bother about their kick tune with frequency numbers and stull like this ..imo just tune it where it sound good with the bass, our ears dont detect pitch easily that low(you wouldnt need a analyzer or numbers ) so imo the tail pitch may not be very important as long as it sound good with the bassline. and it smash the pa.
if i have time to find them i will post some example of kick where the tail is not tuned to the bass and sound dope.
on a bass on D# you gonna use a kick at 38hz or 76 hz? both are not optimals and even with a bass in D# a kick around 50/60 hz will sound better imo |
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