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How to mix together audio tracks?
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jekvan
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Posted : Nov 28, 2010 01:21:29
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So,I have this thing,my laptop is very old and tired (and no pro audio card),and he cannot run the project on flstudio anymore (and no amount of buffering in the world helps).
I've split the project into different pieces.I'm doing bassline and beat in separate project,then render it into audio and then put it into leads project,render those into an audio again and then put it into fx project,and so on.This way my laptop somehow can keep on going...
Thing is,how on earth should I mix this way?Till now I still strugle with EQ and compression,and now I am not sure how should I do that when I am gluing audio tracks together again and again.
For example,before I render bassline+beat project,should I compress it in the master?Wouldn't compression after compression make it sound like shit?
Also,when I render project who already have audio track,and then again,does it effects audio quality ?
The question is:How is it possible to work this way and preserve the best audio quality possible? |
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 28, 2010 01:27
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Padmapani
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Posted : Nov 28, 2010 02:18
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why don't you render your layers into audiotracks seperately? i can't believe your computer can't cope with playing something like 20 audio tracks (if it isn't more than 15 years old and in that case there's no way not to upgrade your laptop). then you can eq, compress or whatever your audio tracks seperately.
of course upavas is right and it's way better to keep everything in one project. if you find some nice leads that fit the track, but would need some adjustment of your bass it'd be a very tedious process...
btw logic has a feature called freeze which does exactly that and frees lots of recources while still preserving your original midi tracks. maybe your daw can do something similar? |
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jekvan
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Posted : Nov 29, 2010 13:11
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On 2010-11-28 02:18, Padmapani wrote:
why don't you render your layers into audiotracks seperately? i can't believe your computer can't cope with playing something like 20 audio tracks (if it isn't more than 15 years old and in that case there's no way not to upgrade your laptop). then you can eq, compress or whatever your audio tracks seperately.
of course upavas is right and it's way better to keep everything in one project. if you find some nice leads that fit the track, but would need some adjustment of your bass it'd be a very tedious process...
btw logic has a feature called freeze which does exactly that and frees lots of recources while still preserving your original midi tracks. maybe your daw can do something similar?
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No,I tried freezing,it doesn't work.
I have for example 10 midi channels for percussions and bass,and flstudio starts to lag when I get pass 2 minutes of laying the beat alone.No point of freezing when I can't even place the beat...
New hardware,eh?God damn it  . |
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Trevon
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Posted : Nov 29, 2010 20:54
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new hardware, urgent..
or else you'll get trustrated.. you'll have troubles finishing tracks and work them as deep as it sould be.
a way to turn things lighter... is to cut big wav's into small loops
EQ things before finishing.. but you may cut too much and then regret 
unless you save several file versions.. which is boring.
get a new machine and everything will be much more flexible! 
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daark
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Posted : Nov 30, 2010 09:23
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compress it once and eq once and than export
export and export and export it is the best way of working. bounce export bounce export.
just try to make it as best as possible before.
takes skill but that skill is worth the training
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daark
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Posted : Nov 30, 2010 14:53
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you can also export with only the nessecary cut and than eq it again, it should be sounding worse but it is not very audible 2 and 3 times.
export also as much as you can close to 0 db and then set the volume at the mixer.
just work with samples.
if you are working in cubase you have a bit of a problem to sample things unless you have a really light sampler which i really want to find.
save presets, turn the plug on, record, automate then shut it down.
organized work like this - has the best results.
that is the pro way.
usualy a good full project can get to 100 tracks. you can't leave all that in midi any computer will die eventualy.
export is a must anyway
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dija
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Posted : Nov 30, 2010 15:03
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why exactly are you such an advocate of bouncing everything? i know many results can ONLY be had this way however there is plenty that can stay midi in my tracks at least. so tell me why you would bounce everything as you work? unless you are having pc problems as stated above perhaps bounce at the end to do a final arrangement/mixdown session.
http://www.youtube.com/user/trawhi (tutorials)
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aciduss
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Posted : Nov 30, 2010 17:39
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I hate to do a final bouncing session... it takes too much time and it is boring just rendering each channel.
Usually i just render what i need to edit in a wav fashion... |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 30, 2010 18:22
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On 2010-11-30 15:03, dija wrote:
why exactly are you such an advocate of bouncing everything? i know many results can ONLY be had this way however there is plenty that can stay midi in my tracks at least. so tell me why you would bounce everything as you work? unless you are having pc problems as stated above perhaps bounce at the end to do a final arrangement/mixdown session.
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bouncing can help to always move forward in the track + save cpu ,resampling open new direction.. sometimes (and it happen a lot )i use lot of cpu ( like 80 % of it )just for one lead, bounce it , then i can eq it again use some fx.. bounce it again.. also audio is a must if you wanna do some tricks like in the breaks and all that.. keep your midi track and instrument bypassed and try to work more whit bounce , maybe you will like it ,it open way more possiblities and you can still use sampler if you want to keep control on the midi notes.
resampling is a big part why psytrance don t sound as sick as some dnb to me, these guys are crazy with production resampling and all that and make some truly sick leads that you can t do wihtout these technics,separating sounds into few bands apply different fx.. bounce ..layer.. if all these technics would come more into psytrance we would have a great evolution i m sure . soemtimes i wondering if noisia or others big names of dnb was making a psytrance track how it would sound..probably sick . |
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daark
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Posted : Nov 30, 2010 18:31
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yes a to avoid pc problems and to know how the sound is like after he becomes a wave file 
it just makes all your work cleaner but yes only at the end as i said, but it could be after just making the beat and then to keep going stage by stage. oveload than export, overload export.
it's quite a nice way of working if you think about it.
a big spare on cpu and much more controlable editing(chopping, fx, volume envelopes etc.)...
like why keep an open compressor and stuff over kick all the time i just export it. another process is not that badly ruining the quality. well maybe you don't use as much processes as i do and you have a better pc.
because sometimes it becomes laggy only on bass and kick and few synths .playback is allright but it lags .
@ at aciduss isn't there a "batch" process
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dija
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Posted : Dec 1, 2010 03:25
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daark
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Posted : Dec 1, 2010 10:39
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well than you will get there eventualy. compressors, saturators, automations, glitch and transient shapers,eq delays and that is just the mixer fx. what bout the synths?
i have 4gbram and it gets to lagging often if there is to much automations open especialy on reverbs and delays.
it just takes an hour untill playback starts
maybe its just me .
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jekvan
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Posted : Dec 1, 2010 16:23
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Thanks man,I was afraid it will damage the quality of the sound,and was ready to buy new stuff (which I can't afford)....
Another question,should I export each midi track differently,or I can export couple of them mixed together? For example,I've done by beat-percussions,kicks,bassline,so should I export it as one,or render each track independantly?
I've just tried exporting my beat project into lead project as wav track,but somehow it sounds less bright... |
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Dec 1, 2010 16:43
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On 2010-12-01 10:39, daark wrote:
well than you will get there eventualy. compressors, saturators, automations, glitch and transient shapers,eq delays and that is just the mixer fx. what bout the synths?
i have 4gbram and it gets to lagging often if there is to much automations open especialy on reverbs and delays.
it just takes an hour untill playback starts
maybe its just me .
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i am on a 3gb ram and my pc takes quiet some load!!! imm quiet content with it. i usually bounce the automations coz thts wat really troubles my pc. also vsts like gladiator i bounce everythin to audio coz they r very heavy on the pc. rest usually i work directly from the vsts, mayb thts just me!! |
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