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Ascension
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 19:09
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Well it's not a rule, I just think it defeats the purpose of making music psychedelic if a bunch of people try to learn how to make existing sounds. I think it's a better learning path to not have an end goal in mind and just try to create something that comes only from your own mind.
Sure a lot of sounds are similar to each other and there are good reasons for it, but I think trying to re-synthesize existing sounds isn't the best idea.
All just personal opinions here, I tell people this and say take it or leave it since we all learn and produce differently. I just see the mentality of copying old sounds only leading to less and less interesting music as time goes on. What's inside your head is something unique and psychedelic within itself so I think that is what should be pursued first and foremost.
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Kryten
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 19:14
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I dont want to copy anything, I just try to get a better understanding of how certain things were created. In my experience this helps a lot at creating other sounds aswell. Somwhere one has to start...
I mean...when you start this stuff you really cannot start to learn to create sounds with a synth, without seeing how other things were built. Basically all tutorials for synths work like that. They show you how a few things are created, and by learning that you also learn what the different things like envelopes/waveforms/filter and stuff really do or sound like...
Without watching tons of videos for bass patch creation, I wouldnt know now whats important when I make a new bass. At first you see how other ppl do it and by that you learn whats important and what not...what you can use for certain types of sounds and what not....thats far from copying I think.
And in this case, it would really help me create similar sounds. I dont have much practise at making FM sounds....
Hm, started posting this before I saw the last one here...so
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On 2010-07-06 19:09, Ascension wrote:
All just personal opinions here, I tell people this and say take it or leave it since we all learn and produce differently. I just see the mentality of copying old sounds only leading to less and less interesting music as time goes on. What's inside your head is something unique and psychedelic within itself so I think that is what should be pursued first and foremost.
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I think that explains it best, yes  Some people like to have good examples for learning stuff and others don't.
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musAphira
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 19:22
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On 2010-07-06 19:09, Ascension wrote:
Well it's not a rule, I just think it defeats the purpose of making music psychedelic if a bunch of people try to learn how to make existing sounds. I think it's a better learning path to not have an end goal in mind and just try to create something that comes only from your own mind.
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that was what i did the last 2 years and now ... now i'm watching "hands on synths sounds" again 
why? this morning i wanted to create a sonar sound ... after 1 hour -> no really good result 
why? i played around for 2 years now with every knob on my synthies but never knew what i was exactly doing esp. for fm synthesis!!! just psychedelic synthesing and listening whats sounding good. but unfortunately the case this morning was a sonar-goal in mind
i think that now is the time (for me) to technically understand in depth all those presets i created during the last years ... and believe me, there are a lot of sounds you never heard before 
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musAphira
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 19:25
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@Kryten : wenn mich nich alles täuscht können wir 3 hier jetzt auch deutsch posten. kann mich aber auch irren
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Mahruna
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 19:35
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@ All
Sind hier nich eh viele deutschsprachige unterwegs ? |
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klippel
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 08:23
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es gibt hier schon ein paar deutsche, aber man sollte nicht in deutsch (oder andern sprache ausser englisch) posten.. sonst bekommt man schnell einen rüffel weil viele nichts verstehen.. grüsse nach schlaaaaaand!!!
hence back to english ;-)
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"I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons |
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Tribute
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 08:25
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nee ich will auch noch kurz xD um was gehts hier eigtl? sorry für OT^^ |
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pr0fane
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 09:25
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Tribute
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 09:36
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On 2010-07-06 19:09, Ascension wrote:
What's inside your head is something unique and psychedelic within itself so I think that is what should be pursued first and foremost.
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had to quote that. I cant completely agree with it. Arent 90% of so called psychedelic sounds just Sawtooth with some modulation (pitch, or whatever), wich you just have to know inside out? I dont know if you ever had a bandpassed lfoed square-sine lead synth going on in your head, but i for sure think no. |
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Kryten
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 13:05
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On 2010-07-06 19:25, musAphira wrote:
@Kryten : wenn mich nich alles täuscht können wir 3 hier jetzt auch deutsch posten. kann mich aber auch irren
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Jupp, aber son ganz paar leute hier verstehens dann dochnet, daher bleib ich mal beim english
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orgytime
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 13:21
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Ascension
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 15:23
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On 2010-07-07 09:36, Tribute wrote:
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On 2010-07-06 19:09, Ascension wrote:
What's inside your head is something unique and psychedelic within itself so I think that is what should be pursued first and foremost.
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had to quote that. I cant completely agree with it. Arent 90% of so called psychedelic sounds just Sawtooth with some modulation (pitch, or whatever), wich you just have to know inside out? I dont know if you ever had a bandpassed lfoed square-sine lead synth going on in your head, but i for sure think no.
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They are if people keep copying old sounds 
I would hope all producers have unique sounds floating around in their head and I'd rather have them strive to make those. That's the main point of what I'm trying to say. I've gotten some great advice about making music from robert rich, who has put out over 30 albums in the course of 3 decades, so this is where my mentality stems from. I think he knows what he's talking about (not that it's necessarily "right", but he's proof of this concept I'm talking about). http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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musAphira
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 15:56
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On 2010-07-07 15:23, Ascension wrote:
I think he knows what he's talking about (not that it's necessarily "right", but he's proof of this concept I'm talking about).
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maybe! if everybody would be a pioneer there would never be a genre. so every track would be a new genre.
i think it's natural that there are only some "alpha males" and a lot of "sheeps". but thats ok ... for establishing genres
when i think by myself : im on a party lintening to new very nice unheared sounds ... an thinking "oh wow, thats a nice sound! i want to hear more from that". and the dj plays a lot of similar sounding hypnotic tracks for over 1 or 2 hours. THAT'S psychedelic for me! in other words : THATS the psychedelic TRANCE(!) DANCE EXPERIENCE for me.
so i guess thats the reason why there are lots of tracks out there which sound "similar".
but the final goal is surely to create new sounds and therefore maybe new genres. but unfortunately i'm a sheep ... yet
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Ascension
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 16:11
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Yeah that's a good point that most people get into this because they enjoy the type of sound that is common to this genre of music so it's natural to seek out the same. I would hope that this scene would have more outside the box thinkers than others, but with production this takes a lot of time to actually accomplish. I do think there is a lot of benefit to have a more open-minded mentality when creating music, even just having this discussion is beneficial. Good discussion by the way
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Ascension
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 16:39
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I think one of the major problems with lack of creativity is that a lot of producers nowadays are looking to play live sets or get tracks released as soon as they can, which really strains the creative process. If they can emulate a popular sound, it can get played out sooner and their goal is accomplished- which means they have no need to go outside the box or be unique.
While there are plenty of formulas and similarities when producing a style of music within a certain genre, there is still plenty of room to be unique (especially with music that is supposed to be psychedelic). I just don't hear a lot of producers doing this nowadays, but the ones that are different and skilled sound really good (again, this takes time and work). Producers like Ekoplex and Annunaki come to mind when talking about those who still fit within this genre, but are unique.
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