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How to make subbass ?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 15, 2008 02:50
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On 2008-02-14 23:52, Inner Demon wrote:
Conny: hipass filter to make 'bigger'? I don't quite get it...
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Sounds to me like he can't hear the sub but it still takes up headroom and stops him from being able to raise the level of the bass so he can hear the upper harmonics louder. Highpassing removes the sub frequencies, freeing up the headroom and allowing the level of the bass to be raised.
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Seppa
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Posted : Feb 15, 2008 09:19
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To make good sub bass, you kinda need to hear them.
The problem is if you're studio monitor goes as far as 50hz you don't really here the whole of your sub bass(and you usually you don't really get a very flat response at both end of the freq range anyway).
Playing your tracks on different loud speaker is therefore the only way to know for sure how your mix really is. I'd get a sub all the way !. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Feb 15, 2008 10:51
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The thing with monitors is not only that it gives you a correct frequency response.
As said here before, knowing your system, even if it's not accurate, can be good enough for this.
Monitors are also very detailed - revealing you some stuff that you never knew existed. No matter how good you hi-fi system is and how good you know it - if you can't hear it, you won't be able to fix those errors.
That's why producing with monitors is a must. Besides, it also gives an accurate representation of your frequency response so that's a huge advantage.
Room acoustics is also a very big issue here, and IMO even more important than what speakers are you actually using. That's why a hi-fi speaker in studio A can give better results than in studio B.
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Posted : Feb 15, 2008 13:31
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On 2008-02-15 10:51, Mike A wrote:
The thing with monitors is not only that it gives you a correct frequency response.
As said here before, knowing your system, even if it's not accurate, can be good enough for this.
Monitors are also very detailed - revealing you some stuff that you never knew existed. No matter how good you hi-fi system is and how good you know it - if you can't hear it, you won't be able to fix those errors.
That's why producing with monitors is a must. Besides, it also gives an accurate representation of your frequency response so that's a huge advantage.
Room acoustics is also a very big issue here, and IMO even more important than what speakers are you actually using. That's why a hi-fi speaker in studio A can give better results than in studio B.
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i agree.. room treatment is the 50% rest 50% is monitors.
u can gave mediocre monitors and a great room and get good resoltes but having great monitors and a bad room will give u more problems than solving them.
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shachar
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Posted : Feb 17, 2008 16:25
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hi-fi speakers are good for reference but they are not Studio Monitors.
you can learn your speakers and "know" that they push too much mid-range and than you can adjust levels but this is not the way to make professional music.
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br0d
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Posted : Feb 17, 2008 16:35
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You can't hear what isn't there. Look up the specs for your speakers, and if they don't go down to at least 31Hz, you are going to always be doing guess work.
One great trick I use is I will slap a steep LPF like waves Q10 across the master fader and just listen to the subs, toggle it off and on. Import a few favorite tracks and compare what they are doing.
But if you don't get the monitoring thing handled, it won't matter. That 16-50Hz range is responsible for a lot of the mix headroom, if it's out of balance it will tank the rest of the track.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Feb 17, 2008 18:12
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at least 31hz hey!
why so specific?
I would also say unless you have the frequency response of your room as well its guesswork...
And really - I can control the subs on my tracks without monitors - so evidence stands contrary to the last two posts. You don't need to hear a freq to hear what its doing to the *other* freqs. A quick glance at the spectrum meter will tell you if there are problems with the sub. An understanding of the harmonic series will tell you what you are up too when you are cutting and where to cut. Understanding what tones are in your bass from the *synthesis* stage too.
Also, didn't Ott produce his first album (or summink) on basically a boombox, I seem to recall?
Are you saying he doesn't have professional level on control on his bass and music Basic?
To all who say it can't be done. Time for the bottom line - its perfectly possible to create professional level music on non pro equipment. What would be far more accurate to say is that you can't do it without professional level equipment.
What I'm saying is that there is a clear *case history* or producers with technically *bad* equipment turning out far better then average mixes.
I'm not saying monitors are not useful, I'm not saying that Conny shouldn't look at getting a better system, and consider monitors.
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the machismo libido
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Posted : Feb 17, 2008 20:33
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well trained producers with experience and knowledge in production can make music without no "pro" gear . for begginer, to learn the accurate mix & balance on a regular room & speakers will be very hard.
my guess is that after OTT produce his album, the mix & mastering made in a professional studio.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Feb 17, 2008 20:43
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AFAIK he mixed it on the boom box but it was mastered elsewhere.
BUT, if the label cared enough to get it pro mastered that would imply that the mix was pretty spot on, no?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 17, 2008 22:32
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Posted : Feb 17, 2008 22:48
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Conny maybe you have too much high so you think you don t have enought sub bass , most synths i used have enought or too much sub for psytrance basslines , or maybe the keys you use aren t low enought |
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