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How to make subbass ?
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Conny
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 20:42
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All the basses i make doesn´t seem subby enough.I´ve tried many different thing´s but they all end up sounding quite high in frequency.
I want the subbass to be "felt" more.
Im thank full for any suggestions
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 20:45
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Do you work with a subwoofer?
If you want to work with subbass you better have a subwoofer.... thats my opinion 
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Conny
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 20:55
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I really don´t have good speakers.
I use cheap computer speakers ,
Maybe that´s why i can´t hear any subbass.
I´ve been thinking about buiying good monitors perhaps with subwoofer. |
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orange
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 21:27
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u dont need a subwoofer to get a good sub bus u just need to practice and have some basic knowledge of eq and what are u doing.. although good monitors is essential.
my dynaudio go as far as 50hz for the low freq wich isnt very low but i get to make nice sub (at least i think they are nice ) basses when i need them.
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 22:08
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On 2008-02-14 21:27, orange wrote:
u dont need a subwoofer to get a good sub bus u just need to practice and have some basic knowledge of eq and what are u doing.. although good monitors is essential.
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If you are even the least bit serious about making music I'd say monitors is the number #1 thing you need. You don't need midi controllers, shitloads of vst's, hardware synths or expensive sequencers but monitors is essential. It doesn't have to be great ones, as long as you learn how they color the sound, which you will after some hard listening and experimenting.
As for some direct advice.. its hard to know, I think most good bass vsts give enough low freqs. Do you cut with an eq? Remember that a pounding bottom end is very much a combination with the kick and if you for instance have a powerful kick your bass (or the combined bottom end) will actually sound more powerful if you cut away bass feqs so they don't interfere with the low end of the kick... thats just one tip.. maybe if you could be a little more specific?
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 22:19
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Doing just fine on my Sony hi-fi with one battered cone...
... and I too get decent controlled Sub!
Learning whatever system you have is more important, as long as it has a fairly good sound.
If you can hear one track has more sub then yours on the system, then you know what to fix on your track innit! If you can hear the difference well enough to criticise then your system is good enough. .
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orange
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 22:51
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If you are even the least bit serious about making music I'd say monitors is the number #1 thing you need. |
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Doing just fine on my Sony hi-fi with one battered cone...
... and I too get decent controlled Sub!
Learning whatever system you have is more important, as long as it has a fairly good sound.
If you can hear one track has more sub then yours on the system, then you know what to fix on your track innit! If you can hear the difference well enough to criticise then your system is good enough.
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u must be joking right..??
i think u never worked with proper monitors.
u can get with hifi in a decent sound but i can get with monitors to a great sound and 20 times faster.
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bandarlog
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 23:03
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On 2008-02-14 22:08, Inner Demon wrote:
If you are even the least bit serious about making music I'd say monitors is the number #1 thing you need. |
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Doing just fine on my Sony hi-fi with one battered cone...
... and I too get decent controlled Sub!
Learning whatever system you have is more important, as long as it has a fairly good sound.
If you can hear one track has more sub then yours on the system, then you know what to fix on your track innit! If you can hear the difference well enough to criticise then your system is good enough.
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u must be joking right..??
i think u never worked with proper monitors.
u can get with hifi in a decent sound but i can get with monitors to a great sound and 20 times faster.
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My sound drastically improved by buying monbitoirs (not even THAT good monitors) but... I read several scientific articles (will look them up when I feel like it) where the comparison is made betwen high end hi-fi speakers and monitors. The results were that you don't need monitors to get a decent sound. If you have decent speakers that go way below and you know them, it is as good as having monitors.
nonetheless I couldn't imagine producing on hifi speakers anymore myself.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 23:16
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I've used proper monitors - very nice ones at that.
They were very nice - no doubt much better - but didn't do anything I couldn't do on my little system.
I know my system. I know exactly what I have to do to make something sound good on it, and other systems too, so... why would I buy monitors? I've got something that works just fine.
Do you think I'd produce better on a system I know inside out, or a £20,000 system I'd never used before?
Knowing your system is more important, because you know what it is good or bad at.
In fact the last time I was using monitors, I ended up totally confused about what I was hearing. At one point I virtually had my head 'inside' the bass port of the monitor because averything sounded too 'far away'. I couldn't relate levels and EQ nearly as well as on my punchy upfront little system, even at high volume, I somehow felt detatched. I'm sure this was psychosomatic. On my rig I know everything so well I can pick out exactly what harmonic is the problem virtually instantly. I know there is a bulge at 129hz I have to be careful of. I know if there is too much below 36hz the damaged cone rattles. I've built this knowledge over years. Its important to how I mix.
But to assume because I don't agree with you I've never used monitors is a bit silly really.
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orange
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 23:36
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ok i take that back.. it was bad from my point.
altough i still hold on my opinion on monitors vs hifi even good ones.. i used to use hifi when i began making music and they where good ones... but when i got my hands on monitors my mixes improved alot.
i still use that old tdl for checking the mix on them but never to mix.. one thing i like in hifi is the easy listening and flattering sound.
its enough for me.
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Conny
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 23:38
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Inner Demon and others i will buy monitor´s as soon as i can.It´s the deep dub in my bass im missing.Often i use a highpassfilter in the bass to make it "bigger" .I really don´t use to eq my bass
at all.Seems like my basses lack low frequencys
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Suloo
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 23:42
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One could even tune up his Hifi speakers or any passive speakers with just releasing the kondensators of the frequency switch inside your speaker..got to proffesional speaker/audio hardware sellers and they will check your kondensators and then you can go from 50€ up to 1000€ just for new kondensators,wich will improve the rms value of your speaker drasticaly..
and its not that hard to do that..maybe even before go to such a shop and let you give some recommendation on how to release the right ones..
will do that one day definatly with my hifi speakers..well i got active monitors as well..and thats way harder to tune up them..
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Feb 14, 2008 23:52
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Speakafreaka: Fair enough, point taken. I also did in fact write that they don't have to be great as long as you learn them, I too started out on hifi speakers like most people because I didn't want to invest in monitors before I was sure I'd stick to making music.
That said, my mixes also improved massively once I got monitors...and dude nobody talked about a £20.000 system... more like £300 and you'll get a totally fine pair
Mixing aside though, I want to enjoy music as well and as a producer at least I have become a bit of an audiophile and I couldn't imagine being without the clear, crisp sound of monitors. I still maintain they're a totallt worthwhile investment (more so than most other peripherals) but sure, they're not absolutely necessary.
Conny: hipass filter to make 'bigger'? I don't quite get it... my advice is to work on the patch, make sure its full in the low range, then I would bust out an eq to polish the edges and make some cuts for clarity perhaps... everything depends on the synth patch. What synth do you use? Most are fine, vb1 is a little light on the low end, but again depends on the kick, the style of your track etc... just keep working on it! |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Feb 15, 2008 00:01
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aye - cool - and for my part, I'm not saying that monitors are not a worthwhile investment, they clearly are!
my point about the £20k system was just to illustrate my point, not a serious suggestion  .
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Feb 15, 2008 00:31
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I read several scientific articles (will look them up when I feel like it) where the comparison is made betwen high end hi-fi speakers and monitors. The results were that you don't need monitors to get a decent sound.
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You don't have to dig up the articles for me.. just wanted to comment cos I'm curious. I guess it never was outright spoken in this thread but I kinda just assumed that money was an issue and I mean if we talk about HIGH-END hifi systems then surely you can produce on them, they tend to have a great sound They also tend to be more expensive than a lot of decent monitors. But obviously they're not designed to give a flat sound so it may take some time to learn them...but really for a scientific article its not exactly a ground-breaking conclusion hehe  |
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