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How to make good percussion ?
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Conny
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Posted : Oct 26, 2003 13:34
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Hi !
I would like to start a topic about excanging tips on how to making percussion in trance.
I would like to use ethnic percussion for my
tracks.yesterday i tried to make my own percussion loops with quite good results.
I wanted to make ny own because i have had difficult to find loops which matched my songs.At first i downloaded a bunch of seperate ethnic wav drum hits like congas and other stuff.THen i programmed all the different samples it into a loop in buzz and exported it to a one bar length loop.
Well everything did not sound to good yet(i had to eq it so it would fit to my bd and bass) so i experimented with filters and stuff on the loop.I came up with a quite good result after using a bandpassfilter , compressor , gate and some kind of lfo filter on the loop.This is my tip for making percussion to trance.I believe many people
who makes trance have got tips to share on how to make percussion.I would like my percussion to sound more rytmic.
How can i get my percussion to sound more alive ? I donīt know really how i can make some drumhits play 1/32 instead of 1/16 all the time.
Best regard Conny |
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Anak
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Posted : Oct 26, 2003 13:43
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 26, 2003 13:58
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I never use loops.
Make everything myself.
Thats's my tip 
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Te_nTe
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Posted : Oct 26, 2003 18:58
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the first lesson i learned - dont use many instruments , use only what you need.
look at prodigy beats - an art.
even if you making techno - dont get yourself crazy - when you listening techno you imagine that there are many instruments playing but it's only imagination - you can make loop with 4 instruments put reverb and distortion and it will sound like there are 8 instruments.
As mike said the best is to make by yourself - dont use loops - but there some suggestion with it.
many artists work with ready loops nut they put reverb , distortion ,eq'ing it .....!
For more live sound try putting effects like externalizer - it will take the percussion aside and it will sound more live.
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Boogieman
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Posted : Oct 26, 2003 22:56
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for the drum nībass production there are a lot of artists that uses loops.
But imo make your own percussion set with some vst plugins like battery also can put the wavs files that you download, create your own sample banks at exs24 if you use logic or use the vst attack, is very good for power percussions.
thatīs my opinion
keep working
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Oct 27, 2003 02:38
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ive seen some people recording live percussions on real drums / congas / darbukas whatever... i realy wanna try that out myself..
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UIU
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Posted : Oct 27, 2003 10:47
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Here's my tip. I am using this in my current song, and it works great. Load loads of percussion samples on battery, or some sampler. Apply some effects, like delay on some of them. Now load a midi percussion file, like the ones that are on liquid grooves, or battery. Whatever sounds well, you keep it. Whatever doesn't sound well, get rid of it, or change it. If it sounds terrible, try another one. This works well especially for percussion like the songs in the crystal skulls if you put the beat every 1/2 note. |
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UIU
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Posted : Oct 27, 2003 10:55
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Now a question. How do you make your drums to have a melody? Is it just by having different velocities, you create the illusion of melody? Or is there another answer, like put a different vocoder on each one with a different note? Or is to eq the drums you want to have melody, close to the bassline, so that their frequencies get mixed up? No matter how much I tried, I can't make this kind of drums like xv killist. |
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Conny
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Posted : Oct 27, 2003 12:13
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THanx a lot for all replys.
Iīve been thinking Anakoluth i believe you are right i canīt make 1/32 notes in buzz.
Te_nTe i will try the externalizer it sounds interesting A.Rosengren yes recording live seems like an interesting task to, i believe you can do it in the way UIU says.you could use a midi percussion file which plays the percussion samples or maybe record your own percussion from a midi keyboard without quantizing the notes you recorded. this would give a rytmic feeling to the percussion.UIU i use to program my percussion to match the harmonic content (similar sounding) off the bass.kind of boring but itīs the only thing i can come up with.
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solipt1c
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Posted : Oct 27, 2003 13:06
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i havent used buzz for over a year but i know for a fact u can program 1/32nds man
the power is in the TPB setting... i wrote some tutorials about it for buzztrack.com or whatever that site was, but its dead now and the tutorials are gone 
anyway TPB is ticks per beat, its usually on 4 (so the main beats are 1, 5, 9, etc). this means each row in the pattern seq is basically 1/16th.
but u can set it other things... i usually worked on 12TPB which gave me 32nds or triplet 16th on the same grid.
also on some machines (eg matilde tracker) u can use note delay/retrig commands to play notes timed more finely than your grid, but this doesnt work for all macines so better off setting TPB.
as for drums playing melodies...its pretty simple man...some drum + percussion sounds are in tune! eg: toms, congas, talking drums, djembe, claves, woodblock, triangle, sometimes cymbals... all these things have a natural note.
i always tune my perc hits to the song (i use battery-- just fiddle with the sample tune til its in key)... after that if u want to play a melody... well...
**power tip**
in battery master setup map any midi #cc (such as 74, usually brightness or cutoff on a synth or controller) to controller A.
in battery select the cell and go to the modulation bit at the bottom left. choose (2) or an empty modulation slow. choose controller A as your source, choose pitch as your dest. then play around with the midi #cc and you can easily automate sample pitch , tweaking from a midi controller if u have one
same thing can be applied to everything other than pitch also, obviously
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solipt1c
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Posted : Oct 27, 2003 13:09
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and btw... yes... recording perc parts from a midi keyb and not quantizing can sound good. however most times i prefer to quantize, but leave my velocities natural. that way u get a tight sounding drumtrack, but still with human feel. depends on the rest of your tune realy, sometimes it might sound better unquantized but either way the velocity is very important in helping realism (especially if u have velocity-mapped percussion samples)
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Oct 27, 2003 15:41
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drums...heres quite an important thing!lol!
i do my drums with esx24, with different packs mixed in diferent channels. I tend to compress some of the channels that i feel that may need it, and then I compress them all together in a bus to alow me to control the drum mix as a whole. Now, one thing i have a doubt sometimes is the volume, what should the volume of the drum mix in relation to the kick/base?i think i tend to put them quite loud sometimes...
i use mostly single hit drum packs with a sampler per key, but if i want to do more melodic drums like uiu was saiyng, i make packs with like an octave or two for each sample.
I use also some effects on some drums, delay, flanger, phaser, filter, well basically i think it can be anything that makes it fit into the mix in a more interesting way.
also use velocities, makes it sound much more live stuff i think...
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Te_nTe
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Posted : Oct 27, 2003 19:59
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UIU - if you like techno man - there are many melodies or i will call it melodic percussion is made of regular instruments.
for the best expamle:
Chris Liebing - American Madness - an art of percussion work |
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