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how to make good drums...

kinayder


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Posted : Jan 7, 2004 07:59
hey guys,

im having problems to make good drums (hit hats and snares)...
i dont wanna use loops.. and i dont found good preset on my vst´s (i try a lot of his... Stylus, lm-7, kontak, battery...) maybe the problem is my mastering...
my idea is create psychedelic tracks with fast basslines (16) and uplifiting drums...

help is welcome!!!

(where i can post a demo of my track to explain better my question??)
Triptocoma
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Posted : Jan 7, 2004 08:48
If you are going to use vsti´s for your drums and precussion you better get some kind of tutorial on it... like how to program drum sounds on synths..

it´s a hard work, but with the right tools you can get good results...

other option is "one hit" samples... get a sample cd or download some free samples and play around... no need for loops, create your own loops from one hit samples..

it´s pretty hard to make good sounding precussion from synths if they are not specialized for it, but it works if you spend some time on it...

i would suggest some drumsynths(software) for you:

http://www.e-phonic.com/vstplugins/drumatic.html

http://www5.plala.or.jp/wantech/vst/Drum.html

http://www2.waldorf-gmbh.de/products/attack/

http://www.kvr-vst.com/get/594.html

http://www.bostreammail.net/ers/ersdrums.html

check these out and see if you find anything that might work for you...

also there are some hardware drum-machines
that can produce different precussion sounds, go check out http://www.vintagesynth.com/ and look at Roland and others....Roland have released a couple of drum-machines..
solipt1c
Soliptic
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Posts :  349
Posted : Jan 7, 2004 20:00
presets for battery?

i think you misunderstand the point of battery

its a sampler, not a synth. so the 'presets' you get with it are just example drum kits... but out of about 20, there are only 3 that are even slightly relevant to psytrance (taken as they are): "trance", and "dance 1" and "dance 2"

and even "trance" is much more like crappy club trance.

you need to create your own kit. many of the samples that come with these preset kits are excellent, mix and match between all the kits. like take a snare from the drumnbass kit, a hi hat from the electro kit, etc. and then most importantly, seek out every drum hit you can find. build a vast library of drum hits. and then just assemble custom kits from this library.

if you do this you dont really need anything else for drums... battery alone is awesome ... but expecting to just load a preset kit and have a perfect 2004-style psytrance kit....? thats just not going to happen           http://www.dartrecordings.co.uk/
NeutroN
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Posted : Jan 10, 2004 12:16
I'm looking for some drum sample cds, can u guys mention some good ones?

thanks           "Great things are only possible with outrageous requests." Thea Alexander
billy ambulance
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Posted : Jan 10, 2004 12:38
snares and hats are the most easy to find on the net. i think if u want your snares to sound more electronic and trancy then try to alter them with EQ of filters. try to cut some frequencies of the snare. play around with plugs until you`ll find the sound you like.
if you like something - export it as one hit. start to make your own sounds.           check out! www.soundclick.com/spasm
kinayder


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Posted : Jan 13, 2004 03:25
hey dudes...

i found a nice way to make my drums... using redrum of reason 2.5... very good!!! but thanks for the posts!

Triptocoma: thanks man,,, i know... make drums on sinths is hard.. but im trying... thanks for the links...

solipt1c: thanks for the tip... i go try get this presets and test!!!

billy ambulance: thanks... i got a lot of "one shot" samplers... using in redrum is good!! thanks


5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Jan 13, 2004 13:41
actualy good source samples r the key here (clean and pro recorded)
but u can fit any drum sample into the track
use EQ and compressors on kicks
EQ and noise gates on hihats and snares
try to work with some friquensy analyser to understand how to EQ leaving only small ranges open
clean whatever u dont like
boom           Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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PSYCHEDELIC-ZION
Yuli
Retired

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Posted : Jan 13, 2004 22:51
Quote:

On 2004-01-13 14:06, nectarios wrote:
The thing with most of the trance stuff that sells a lot, is that they use pretty thin snares and drums in general.




Which is a pity actually... most of the time it sounds like an empty tin can to me.. I really would love to hear more powerfull percussion grooves a-la Chemical Brothers or Underworld in trance productions           A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
Reconstructed


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Posts :  166
Posted : Jan 13, 2004 23:32
If you are using Battery one of the most important things to get realistic drum sounds, especially on snares, is velocity layering.

Your battery manual should explain it in detail, it is actually quite simple and will give you a much better drum sound.
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