orgytime
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Posted : Nov 29, 2011 09:53:41
sorry for not being psy-related.
first time i listened to this, my thoughts
where like "stolen melody, cheap voice, etc".
i have to say by now i like the track lol
so what is it about... i tried to recreate
the track, i thought it cant be that hard.
ill just need some dance music kicks/claps
and thats it BUT... somehow its not that
easy.
i tried to recreate alot radio stuff,
and i never come close. those tracks sounds
all so simple stupit, but it turns out i
cant recreate it. so what is it, and where
i can learn it?
at which point the quality of the track starts
to being what it is? if guetta sends his
mix to a real mixing studio?, at the mastering?
how does the main lead come out of phase in
a such a weird, destructive way, and why
does guetta do that? this is also a phenomenon
i noticed in chart music, anyone can explain?
Grevinsky
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Posted : Nov 29, 2011 17:45
I think its about learning how to create the style. Its very easy to fall into pattern of making music. After a while you create your way of how to do it. This is atleast how i feel.
Sometimes when i want to make something completely different, it feels like im on square one(for sure its not completely true, but thats the feeling), im not used to the specific rhythm of the style and also not the techniques.
You created psy for like 3, 3 and a half year?, and then you try to make this kind of music with no real knowing except from recreation from how it sounds. I dont know if its so strange that you dont get so good results at first. Even shit music like this have techniques.
Make shit music for 3 years and im sure it will sound great in a shitty way.
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http://soundcloud.com/mechanical_species
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Posted : Nov 29, 2011 18:45
the guy behind some of the guetta tunes don't use much stuff, some plugins,some hardware synths ,i think his room is not even treated ..
and yeah the quality have to be right there from the begining ,it might jump a little in quality but even at the begining it have to have some good potential , you don t turn shit into gold but imo in your sample the sound is average for the style.. it s cause you re not used to produce this music you find it hard to nail the sound
it s fucking hard to be brillant sound engeinner, brilliant musician, brillant at playing drums,guitar, programing beats.., brilliant at mastering,brillant at...we are naturally talented for some stuff more than the others...when there is money involved like in the super big usa production, rihanna and stuff like this they can use a team to archieve better production and music,they use talented guys for what they do best
a bit like when making tunes in collab, using the strengght of each producers to get something better.
and stuff like guetta and commercial pop electronic music is taking this direction imo..as soon as there is some money you can hire great producer to do the work for you lol
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Posted : Nov 29, 2011 18:46
I tried several times to make this kind of music,
I said to myself not a big deal,simple beat,cheesy
melody and synth sound and groovy all the way.
And it's easy,but my problem is that is too easy
and then I start to tweak the synth,make crazy automations,crazy sounds and then that shit isn't
cheap enought.....that's momment when I realise I
can't make this kind of music......
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Posted : Nov 29, 2011 19:02
I am the same way. progressive/minimal house, hip-hop, dubstep... they all take skills to create but after you have been producing and improving you trance skills all of these genre's seem to "simple" so to speak. So you end up tweaking synths and automating things to add a challenge. And you get something TOTALLY different (sometimes better or worse). Personally i love having a challenge in music but as long i personally can over come it and get on a good roll. Thats what makes it fun in the creation process imo, learning new things, recreating sounds, or creating a new one, its all in the good name of music! http://soundcloud.com/brentmalik
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Posted : Nov 29, 2011 19:13
all style is easy or as complex as you want it to be, to catch the level of the super big production that make money if that was easy we would all do it ,at least just to get the money to built a fucking studio and more
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Posted : Nov 29, 2011 21:10
your post looks like a poem
all sounds are snappy. it must be the compression.
people in psy are so careful about production. they would beat those mofos anytime.
lot's of ex-psy trance producers make amazing commercial music, but they are not recognized.
btw those chords are from a 90's eurodance tune..
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Posted : Nov 29, 2011 23:17
Just because some music seems shitty or simple doesn't really mean that its easier to produce, just different.
Reverse the situation - I imagine even very experienced producers in other genres would struggle a bit in the beginning to make a nice kbbb that sits just right, let alone making a prefect arrangement right away, which I would say requires a good amount of listening to psy.
Therefore making that crap should also have particular demands, and while hard to detect they're there and they require practice like everything else.
orgytime
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Posted : Nov 29, 2011 23:30
nice to hear youre opinions on this!
i write like a poem because of the shitty small reply window, funny that i cant handle it for over 1.500 posts now lol. yeah trevon i remember this track from my youth xD
at the moment ima little bored of psy so im getting some inspiration some where else xD
and what you think about the antiphase issue? i hear that on alot of new $$ productions, how and why is that made? when you listen really close to the lead at 0:39 , you can hear how shitty and fucked up it is in a certain way. please check it!
maybe ill post my clone next days just for the fun and to have something to discuss, maybe you could give me some advices! argh, i hate my voice, even if its melodyned to death loool
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Posted : Nov 30, 2011 02:11
autopan, reverb , phaser.
I don't know
crappy production sells..
PoM
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Posted : Nov 30, 2011 02:49
the producers making this music probably think 80% of psytrance producers are amateurs just like you think they are !
for that style you need well suited sample/source...something like veangance rompler is probably abused.. or virus,sylenth,tone 2 stuff maybe...and some ready to use processed drums.
i think a lot use the phatty too, for some bass and leads used in that style it s good
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Posted : Nov 30, 2011 03:35
a lot of this producers , mastering engineerst and guys that are resposible for a commercial product are way more above the knowledge of an avarage psytrance guy.
To design a great sounding product for the masses is hard work and for sure nothing easy or cheap.
And in private they hear not neceseearily such music or they dont. During my studies I got lecturers that are working on big commercial productions for decades and had an interesting insight. Also lots of this cheap sounding music is way more than a few channels, somtimes its endless layering. And when it comes to vocals its a massacre of editing and even way more tracks.Trakcs only for sylables or for the right breath.Melodyne is defo a standard though. For me this is high class , although the music is not touching my synapsis , just the production the knowledge.
One of those guys that works on tracks that were sometimes in the top ten of charts here in germany, makes his mastering only with plug ins although he has all what he wants concering hardware, its more about the knowledge also knowledge about specific direction. This guy would probably make only cheap sounding psytrance thats pretty possible I think. (havent herd the video but I think I heard it already on tv)
https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden
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Posted : Nov 30, 2011 04:04
Quote:
On 2011-11-30 02:49, PoM wrote:
the producers making this music probably think 80% of psytrance producers are amateurs just like you think they are !
probably yes.
this guy is on the charts, he's number 4 on the DJ Mag Top 100.
he uses ONLY presets, loops and samples from other producer friends.
now he uses mainly sylenth, because he ran out of patches on nexus. watch the full video and then tell me what you think.
guys from pioneer & cie like him.. and promote him as the new tiesto..
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Posted : Nov 30, 2011 04:04
other "pros" do the same..
some big producers have amazing studios and knowledge, while others not so much
Trevon
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Posted : Nov 30, 2011 04:04
they're there and they require practice like everything else.
