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How to make a track sound faster?
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Akbal
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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 21:39:06
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I know it somehow has to do with the eq, but I wonder how it is that many times when making a track of let's say 145 bpm, it sounds like 140 :S.. How to get that groove that makes you wanna jump? Sometimes, for some reason, it just happens, and other times I find myself adding more and more sounds and hi-hats until the track is just too full to still sound good and still it sounds slow.. |
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wizanda
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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 21:58
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Certain rhythms on a djembe make it seem faster, if the high goes after the bass, it softens it or seems slower and before it, heightens it or makes it seem faster. 
So you could try a different quantize to achieve the same effect. 
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Ascension
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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 22:19
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aciduss
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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 22:44
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I know the feeling bro...
Detuned kick / bass relationship can make it feel like a slow track. Work on getting nice kick n bass combo so you get it speedy.
Also other stuff that create illusion of speed:
- Fast hi hats 16th occasional 32th
- Fast synth lines
- Arpeggio
- Stacatto
- Drum n fx fills
- Complex but ordered sample chopping / stuttering
Check out classic Eskimo or Dynamic stuff to understand what i mean.
Hope that helps... but mostly imho a feeling of slowness or numbness in one's music is due detuned stuff. |
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 23:05
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play with timing of bassline (ie +-10ms maximum , usualy - not +)
put the snare few ms before the grid (- few ms)
make sure all 16th notes have some sound in them..
raise tempo ( abit funny answer but hey it will work)
about specific eq then its also can be true
try HP filter on the bass with harsh Q (not too much but that they will have boost of atleast 3-6DB) and sweep it between 20hz to 80hz to find the spot
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supergroover
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 00:20
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Listen to Elad  |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 01:19
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Wizanda has a big point here...
low pitched sounds versus high pitched...
Starting the pattern with a higher pitch will slow it down when you go to the lower, in contray to starting the pattern with a low pitch and going to a higher,
the paradox is that you would think differently...
And like Elad say there are many variables that come to play!
And like you say with EQ, taking away low freq would make a illusion of speed, high freq travel with shorter wavelength...
So it can also be which note you work it...
Working in F or C will have dramatically different feelings in the same tempo...
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 03:35
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On 2009-11-28 01:19, Freeflow wrote:
So it can also be which note you work it...
Working in F or C will have dramatically different feelings in the same tempo...
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i find the hole 'different note' thing to be always more true on vst rather then virus/nord/korg etc.
and also sometimes from people that still have some bass reflection in the room
and sometimes its just true.. but not as much as discussed.. (different eq for each note? try that on funky bass guitar riff hehe)
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jizy
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 08:29
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On 2009-11-27 23:05, Elad wrote:
play with timing of bassline (ie +-10ms maximum , usualy - not +)
put the snare few ms before the grid (- few ms)
make sure all 16th notes have some sound in them..
raise tempo ( abit funny answer but hey it will work)
about specific eq then its also can be true
try HP filter on the bass with harsh Q (not too much but that they will have boost of atleast 3-6DB) and sweep it between 20hz to 80hz to find the spot
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elad mate, what spot? Highest peak bass resonace?
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 09:19
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 13:30
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 19:02
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On 2009-11-27 23:05, Elad wrote:
put the snare few ms before the grid (- few ms)
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I'd be wary about anything that falls on the kick's transient as loud as a snare and drops a few ms earlier (or later). When choosing a snare I go into the audio file and bring the region start point so the transient drops *exactly* with the kick to make things sound as tight as possible.
That was one of the first things I discovered when I started making breakbeat records in 2003, the importance of the transients in the main drums of your track.
I do make some techno tunes with swing quantization, but always the main kick and snare are a clean 16th with the transients being as tight as possible. The difference is not that apparent in the fast trance tunes I make, but it does make a difference.
Also I find that its just down to the drum loops I will use that will make a tune sound faster than others, and 16th shakers. Generaly though it comes down to leads patterns, loops, the whole thing, I can't put my finger on what it is that works all the time, it just happens, or it woks the other way around. But I am not fussed though, for trance tunes, anything from 138 and above sounds fast enough to me.
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Pointless
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Posted : Nov 29, 2009 15:41
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64ths!!! |
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iNexus
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 20:35
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1) play with bassline
2) play with percussion (BIG HELP) [seems like a 145 bpm goes to 148-150 depending on how well u mix]
3) hi hats... the more chopped up, the faster the feeling
4) make a complex beat (loop)
5) make fast chopped leads
i cant think of more at the moment, but this DOES help if u do it right.
hope this helped ;D
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shayning
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Posted : Dec 1, 2009 02:29
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I know what you mean, it happens usually when there's triplets on the hihat or snare that doesn't fall on the 2,4 notes, give your bass a sync delay on 3/6 notes and you'll notice how everything's start to flow on 145BPM, all my last tracks are 145 and I had the same issue.
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