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How to make a loud mastering without distortion
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 01:05
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I would also say, learn how to mix really well at first, then give your mix to a professional mastering engineer to see what potential your mix has in a mastering that is done by someone who knows how to master, it will tell you where you really are in terms of mixing your sound, and listening to that master will also teach you a lot on how to improve your mix per se.
Once your mastering engineer gives you good sounding mastered tracks that make you go "WOW", scour the internet for mastering sources and reading material related to mastering, when I started that it took me months to get a principle idea, and I screwed up quite a bit in the beginning.
Add to that some more mastering by a professional engineer which of course costs money and also add some invaluable help from friends, as well as this forum and other forums such as Gearslutz and you will be well on your way! I am improving my mastering skills every time I sit down to master a track, as everybody must be, the sky is the limit...
This is the path that I took and it works for me! Good luck!
Lastly, get proper monitors! As you cannot see the color red when you are blind, you cannot hear what you're doing when you can't hear it, and with decent monitors you can! I use my cans as check, and then very quickly go back to my monitors!!!
A hint, Colin does excellent work when it comes to mastering!!!
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 01:52
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your mix should change the less possible at mastering imo ..otherwise it mean it s not that good and have still room for improvments.. mastering can easily make good mix sound worst actually cause of today loudness there is always compromise...very good mix are very hard to master cause of this,they don t want their sound to change or just very little..and that little to make it better insteed of worst is probably really hard |
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 02:11
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thats why it would b nice to do it yaself in an ideal world - dont jump the gun was only my point really to luiz
yeh i kno what ya saying thats a really good point actually
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Babaluma
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 15:22
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Yes, a HUGE part of it is in the mix, but after you have a great sounding loud mix:
Use an analogue loop. Send the track out of very high quality DAC at 0VU dB. Compress to give vibe and punch (no more than 1.5 dB gain reduction), and then EQ to taste (you can use the Fletcher-Munson curve for loudness if you really have to), then hit the very high quality ADC until you're clipping it, but it's not audible (this is why you need a very high quality one, whose analogue stages can handle it gracefully, most "prosumer" range converters will crap out/distort/sound pinched WAY below digital full scale), then add digital brick wall limiting to achieve the desired loudness, but make sure you have NO digital overs, and NO inter-sample peaks (if you do, then you can't predict the distortion that will occur on different DAC/playback systems).
There you go, clean AND loud! At least, that's how I do it... Happy to master a track for free if you're interested?
Gregg
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 15:24
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that sounds sexy gregg 
Fletcher-Munson curve? sounds funky, aint herd that ...
. ive got the funk , do u want funk lol
joking aside, you sound like u have your own technique there man..good shit
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Babaluma
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 15:29
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Babaluma
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 16:18
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 16:58
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can do this all in the mix tho yeh? r u on about like a pultek with boostin and cuttin at same time? what curve is that then? i could research but since we on the subject its a day for learning
so what type of eq suited best for these clever curves |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 17:06
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50hz will definelty rise the level as much as it s boosted on lot of material, for loudness the mids are were we ear the most for the level it actually is, just saying cause it s not very clear.
if you listen at very low volume you will mostly hear just the mids and a bit the highs.. the mroe you rise the volume the more we hear low and highs in comparaison to the mids. (can happen on big pa you don t hear the mids much and hear a lot the beat)
like you see on the curve , low need a lot more energy to be heard as well as the mids.. that probably reason why you had lot of psytrance wihtout any low end and that sound thin but loud like hell. |
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 17:10
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otherwise will sound like a mud bomb yeh i got ya...
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 17:27
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if you want big phat sound loud and clear maybe try to visualize the spectrum as a keyboard..each sound should not eat space(that you can visualize as the keyboard octaves) of the others that play at the same time more or less...
kick bass have the energy on the lowest octaves, then maybe lower leads the next one ect..
the more the mix energy is spread from the lowest earable octave to the highest one the phater the sound and the more easy it is to get a clear mix as sound dont fight as much for same space ,these are spread to fill the full earable bandwitch .
if you have your kick bass already balanced at the place of some leads.. the sound can only get thin and harder to get clear for example, if it s too dull ti s the same..it will feel like one octave is not really used on the top ,smaller bandwitch is equal to not well balanced thiner sound more or less. |
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 18:15
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thanks for all helps!
soo in my mix i should never have leads,gates, competing with the bass,kick frequency....then if i have a very high pitched sound i cut all mid frequencys and let the high sound
the spectrum of my track seems like a GREAT boost at low,low mid...the weak mids, then weak highs....thats is wrong right? so removing competing low frequencys the low frequency downs a little...if a boost(eq and others) my mid,mid-high leads it should be more high on my spectrum and same as high...
the spectrum image should be a horizontal line????
its all about, if i have a sound using lows i should work online with mids and highs in that part
supposing i got bassline and kick always hiting 30-200hz i should cut everthing,leads, from that range?Cut A little,reductiong?? or Remove completly the low range
for maybe more clear i can have two leads competing of mids, but one is mroe high-mid, i boost high-mid, and cu low-mid,lows,highs(cut a little) than i got a low-mid sound,boost,blabla, and cut a little(not remove) the other frequencys
sorry its too much information, im very greatefull but im processing
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 18:15
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tell that to luiz m8
as i was bieng pissy askin... |
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 18:20
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On 2013-04-20 18:15, Geom3 wrote:
tell that to luiz m8
as i was bieng pissy askin...
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you are mad, im so happy with your help and the others im trying to assimiliate
im having dropouts on my windos shit and can work on ableton right know
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 18:50
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yeh that true i a lil crazy  
its spring and the sexual tension is at an all time high to add to matters 
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