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How to make a loud mastering without distortion
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 18, 2013 16:20:09
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Hey
my doubt is, how i can make the right mix and mastering to make a loud and clear track as the tracks i like to hear (goasia,filteria,pleiadians)
my last track i tried to loud enough but i think i have distorted
https://soundcloud.com/ancientaliengoa/identified-races
my mixing was like that
kick and bassline hitting -7db and others instruments in -8 -9db and main leads -7db for the intense moment
i use in the master channel a multiband dynamic compressor compressing the highs and lows a little and using a gain of 1.30db in both...i have them a utility volume gain of 3.0db, then a compressor louding a little and a limiter in the end without gain
im trying to mix now on -9db my peaks to see what happens...
what else can i do?
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 18, 2013 16:49
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at the mix you should not really bother about loudness (unless maybe you are very familiar with dynamics tools), focus on getting the mix that serve the music the best ,mix for musicality and on getting a good frequency balance ,any well balanced mix can be loud .
imo try to mix wihtout anyhting on the master at first..as it may make you less precise on how you mix stuff on individual channel |
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 18, 2013 16:58
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why r u masterin it? can u not just perfect your mix then if love it and others love it get it done by the people that love and kno there shit...
no offence btw...just dont see ya logic here..
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Apr 18, 2013 17:18
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-leave mb compressor on sum off. you really dont need it. mb compressor is to fix mix problems when you have one final file. if you can fix smtg in mix, youll better do it before mastering.
-use tape/tube saturators on channels, groups. gentle or overload it if you like that sound. then on master you will need only hq brickwall limiter like Voxengo Elephant to get very loud track without distortion.
-make you track loud before youll start to put something on master channel
-dont care bout numbers, they are really not important here
-buss compressors purpose is to glue mix, not to make it louder
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 18, 2013 17:20
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yeh thats all good alien bug but luiz was askin whats mono and stereo the other day all im sayin iz dont run befor ya can walk innit..  joke
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demoniac
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Posted : Apr 18, 2013 20:26
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 03:35
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 04:06
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On 2013-04-18 17:18, Alien Bug wrote:
-leave mb compressor on sum off. you really dont need it. mb compressor is to fix mix problems when you have one final file. if you can fix smtg in mix, youll better do it before mastering.
-use tape/tube saturators on channels, groups. gentle or overload it if you like that sound. then on master you will need only hq brickwall limiter like c Elephant to get very loud track without distortion.
-make you track loud before youll start to put something on master channel
-dont care bout numbers, they are really not important here
-buss compressors purpose is to glue mix, not to make it louder
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ok no multiband dynamics, i was using it to make a better low and high...soo i should do this on the mixing?well i think i do it fine in my bass with some vst, i fat some sounds with vst and i EQ them too cut uncessary and up some necessary frequencies, but the multiband realy improve those sounds...
i found the elephant limiter vst i will use it on the end of mastering
making track loud, if i go away -9db it clips
so its never loud enought without clipping without mastering
glue compressor, i dont know about it, it glue?in my transltion that means that "mixture well" the sound like a real glue...?
anyway what should i have in my master track
thanks for all advices i will use it
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 04:20
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 05:57
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Glue compressor or, as it's often called, "bus compressor" is a form of compression used in sums (or groups) of sounds, to sort of bring the elements more close to each other - thus the term "glue". It's good to get a more cohesive sound in groups of sounds (sent to an aux channel/group channel/bus), like drums for example. Usually we're talking of something like -4dBFS of gain reduction with settings that allow the compressor to breath with the song in a musical way (by breath, I mean in and out of compression).
Parallel compression is compression, usually with high ratio and overall pretty intense settings to a duplicate version of a mix (or group of sounds), that's then mixed with the original. This way you preserve the clarity of, say, the drums group, with all its sharp transients and you mix in a much more saturated and crunchy version of itself, reinforcing the sound in powerful way (can be subtle though).
For sounding loud, you want a good balanced mix, like said above. And in some cases, you need to think of it before hand. For example, in the regular offbeat pattern with snares on 2nd and 4th kicks, if you delay the snare (forth or backwards) some ms, it's barely noticeable, but you preserve headroom much more (along with added clarity, kid you not). What I'm saying is that you shouldn't obsess with it, but you must watch your mix and think of some gain structure before hand. Don't let those peaks get out of control. Make the sounds as present as you want, but not excessively loud. For example: if you set your kick bass group to settings such as -10dB, with the rest of the sounds in the mix, shouldn't go beyond -6dBFS at any given time. This isn't numbers from a gospel, just some approximate values to give you a general idea.
Its also important to preserve the transients. You don't want to square you waveform, it looses definition and sounds like digital nasty distortion imo. |
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COMET SHELL
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 09:38
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you should let someone else do your mastering if you a proper job, fresh ears hear the mix much better. |
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 17:03
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On 2013-04-19 09:38, COMET SHELL wrote:
you should let someone else do your mastering if you a proper job, fresh ears hear the mix much better.
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i need to learn for my self, cause there is noone that i know in my town, and i dont have money to buy do sent one, i want to learn by my self and my mastering its not soo baad, just lack in loudness,and not not so much, is like -1db less...i dont want to be the master of mastering
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 17:04
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 18:35
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On 2013-04-18 20:26, demoniac wrote:
parallel compressing
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most comps now come with wet and dry nobs to save pissing about with extra channels too..all gud
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 19:19
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$0.02
The track has too much energy between 200-500Hz, in particular in the kick and bass. (mix/mastering issue). It also has much less below 100 than it should do to sound fat on a dancefloor (mix/mastering issue). The low end is pretty untidy, with little definition in the bassline and lots of sounds seemingly having energy below 150Hz that don't need it there (mix issue). The high frequencies sound fairly dull in general (mastering issue) and there seem to be very few transients left in the percussion (mix/mastering issue), which is not helped by the fact that the high frequencies in many of the lead sounds are louder than the high frequencies in the percussion (mix issue). The mid and high-mid ranges are overcompressed but the overall balance between sounds is ok, considering the lack of clarity and EQ finesse in the mix. Stereo image is fine.
Overall the track sounds like it was produced on hi-fi speakers in the mid-late 90s and then slammed through a T-Racks or Ozone preset to make it loud.
Related: Unless your track clips, the loudness of the mastered version of your track has absolutely nothing to do with the peak level of the unmastered mix.
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