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how to improve my mono stereo mix,check it!
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wirakocha
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knocz
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(hijacking this topic so it's not another "what do you think about this tune segment in progress" that I have to move to The Workshop  )
There are tons of tricks to use to enhance the stereo field - and most of them recommend you starting with a mono source, so it ends up being mainly the mixing board and effects that make that stereo sound.
If you are actually recording something, than stereo/mono means using 1 mic dead center / 2 mics (in many different possible ways ) - but when using softsynts, this concept of stereo and mono usually fades away, as the synth tries to spit out a stereo signal (which might or might not fit your tune's stereo field).
First of all, the most lame suggestion is "use a master stereo expander". Simple, effective (get's the job done of enhancing whatever you have done), no control, easy to overdo and/or introduce unwanted artifacts to your fresh tune.
Second, use the pan knob. A mono signal, playing through a stereo mixing table, with the pan set to dead center, will output the mono signal to both speakers - twisting this knob left or right will place the mono signal in your stereo spectrum; While if you use the pan on a stereo signal going through your stereo mixing board, then panning left will only reduce your "right side" volume (and when both left and right signals aren't the same, it becomes tricky to place this in a mix).
Then explore stereo mixing techniques: different effects on the left-right sides, different effects on the mid-side part of things, one-side delaying (or, delaying the mid while on M/S processing... hmmm this gives me ideas..  ), understand how the effects behave in the mono and stereo field (like shifting or offsetting any LFO's in your effects), and play around with this. In the end, you have your sound sources and your arrangement, it's all a mater of mixing it the way you want it to be
For example, you can take some of your leads, and apply some fattening effects only to the mid range of some leads (the "rhythmic" ones) - so, add a slight delay of 5-30ms only to one side of the mid-range of these leads - and you'll hear the mix suddenly opening up. On the main leads you could contrast that with M/S equalization - you can "enhance" the low-mids, high-mids and highs stereo by maybe giving it a slight boost on the Side part, and on the Mid part take a bit out of what you added on the Side, and give it just a nudge on the mid-range:
-> The result is your background lead mid-range is wide, while your main lead highs and lows are wide -> the mix becomes wider, and nothing is trying to complete with each other. You could do this for a section or two, then try to apply different techniques on different sections
Keep it up! Make more, share more thoughts 
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routingwithin
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frisbeehead
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Not entirely sure what "big" means here.
But if you want to beef up some part of the spectrum, it probably means you're hearing more of the other parts then you'd like. Think about it: on a given sound, when you have more highs then you need, but you could eventually get away with a bit more thumb and meat on those low mids... How do you go about it?
Easy. You lower those highs until you strike the right balance for that sound.
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wirakocha
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Posted : Mar 15, 2016 05:03
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Thanks for your reply ,i was mixing with 6 returns channels 4 rooms reverbs to get that fouth dimension to the sound, reverbs like eventide,valhalla,lexicon,roland r202, two delays + two sends one reverb phoenix and delay,maybe i'm going wrong???
Synths in group + pspvw on the buss
also on the synths i use the utility to put in mono first 20%... d(((+_-)))b
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NEBULOsity
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Posted : Mar 16, 2016 17:30
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I always try to experiment with stereo image when I am sculpting some new sound or just idea in my arrangement but in the end the simplest ideas are usually the best one. For example good old guitar technique (no recently discovered patent ) just the same guitar line recorded 2 times and panning hard left and right. Sounds pretty awesome and wide. You can also apply different effects on each side as knocz has already mentioned or you can use more than 2 lines.
With guitar its simple because every recording is uniq even if its played by same guitarist. With synths you can make minor changes of your patch for example envelopes of filter settings or whatever you want.
Its old trick maybe everyone here knows it...just memory refresh
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TimeTraveller
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Its beneficial not to use a stereo reverb on all channels (especially on mono signals) - use also mono effects therefor.
Discover the love for mono channels. Or mono information on stereo channels, although this really is a double waste of space and affects at some time of course even the latency.
Pan! the mono chanells in a wide variety. Use the panorama to give elements each own space in spectrum.
You than should have a much better control of image than with a stereo widener or something similar.
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wirakocha
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NEBULOsity
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When you mentioned hats I am just curious do you guys use low cut or low shelf when you mixing hihats? I think that Andi Vax talk about this in his mixing tutorial. What is your recipe?
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Posted : Mar 31, 2016 00:47
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it will be great if someone will show in video his
technic and how he do it , it will help many members .
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Vermeee
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there are many tricks each give a different result..but they all will enhance stereo
one is to duplicate the channel and u full pan each channel to a side then you will give microseconds delays between them... like one is -10 other is 10... the more the difference the higher the effect but keep in mind the more the difference the stronger it will stay in one of the sides... usually the quicker....
other trick is to use a stereo delay then you turn off the sync and you use each side with microseconds delay.... like 5 to 30 ..ur choice....
you can use stereo equalizer with mid/stereo processors... so you can make a spectrum weaker on mids and stronger on sides..... or vice versa...
also detune effects and chorus can be used to open the stereo altho they will be together with the fx sound...
then with all those tricks is advised to use some kind of midi/stereo plug in processor where u can enhance or desenhace the effect... like utility from ableton live... or stereo enhancements plug ins etc...
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knocz
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Posted : Apr 2, 2016 23:59
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On 2016-03-15 05:03, wirakocha wrote:
Thanks for your reply ,i was mixing with 6 returns channels 4 rooms reverbs (...) maybe i'm going wrong???
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"right" and "wrong" are very critical topics.. If you can handle and tame all these reverbs, then it's never too much, but there is no right number of effect to use. You can make way maybe even without reverbs (but there are soo many cool things we can do with them ). As long as it sounds good, it's right; if you dont like it then it' wrong.
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On 2016-03-30 00:01, wirakocha wrote:
I was trying to put my open hats above to 10k cuz below sound to harsh and eat the mid high Fq.
here the late mix,how sound for you?
http://picosong.com/NR28
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sounding a lot better dude! I personally think you overdid it in the stereo spectrum, it's a bit too wide (and possible issues with mono? try listening in mono and check if any of the sounds "disappears", if so then fix the stereo stuff accordingly ) but the whole tune is sounding sweet and spicy..
Sound wise I think it's sounding great, way above any "newbie" level, keep it up and finish it! The more you make the better it's gets Super Banana Sauce http://www.soundcloud.com/knocz |
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knocz
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Posted : Apr 3, 2016 00:08
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On 2016-03-30 15:36, NEBULOsity wrote:
When you mentioned hats I am just curious do you guys use low cut or low shelf when you mixing hihats? I think that Andi Vax talk about this in his mixing tutorial. What is your recipe?
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It's a tricky question to answer.. I default to a high pass filter first, but I try to go through a low shelf filter and check how it sounds.
Technically apart of how it actually sounds (which matters the most), I use the high pass filter if the low end is out of control, and use the shelf if I simply want to change the balance between the lows and highs.. but I try to test them all if I feel whatever my initial instinct was is not right
But one thing is sound design - where I feel I like to EQ and apply other effects to modify the timbre and tone of my sound - and mixing - where you want to control the balance between the sounds in the mix. The mix is what ends up in the final tune, so no matter what you did in sound design, it's all up to how it responds to the other sounds.. so if my mix is too bass-heavy, or I simply loose control of the bass end, then I'll go through the channels and check what is affecting the tune as a whole and treat that.
Maybe all that a tune needs is to not cut the low end on the drum cymbals.
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