Ryu-X
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Posted : Nov 27, 2012 22:23:56
Hey guys, tried several stuff but i dont even come close to anything that one of my favourite producer does..
Its almost in all songs that i prefer, i dont know how to call it proper.
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Those Laser Sharp Space sounds forming the melody and the groovy vibe of the song.
I would be really happy if anyone got a hint how to achieve something like that.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 00:15
fm, modulation of the osc frequency at audio rate that lead to these sounds, try to use a oscillator to modulate a other one . try also on the filter it can lead to some good sounds
what synths do you use most?
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 15:44
I like to use sylenth1 the most. Which VST would you recommend to achieve this kind of sounds ?
What exactly do you mean by "modulate at audio rate" ?
I might need a little more explanation because i havent used FM ever.
Thank you
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 16:12
maybe try the free synth1 for a start, innit the patch and try the fm and experiment with the oscillators pitchs and waveforms , fm amount..
about audio rate for correct explaination you might look on the net, to me it s called audio rate cause the modulation frequencie is in the earable range.
to give a example i take the spec of the future retro xs ,the lfo aka low frequency oscillator can go up to 18hz .
while the osc can go from 0.5 Hz to 100 kHz (can be used as lfo )
maybe some one will shime in to make it clearer or check on the net.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 18:05
any analogue modular synth should get you there. ems vcs3 is the master of these noises.
audio to sub audio modulation of vco frequency, or self oscillating filter (sine waves usually sound best), by another vco (whose frequency is often controlled by an envelope or joystick).
it generally sounds far more naff with a soft synth due to aliasing distortion.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 18:20
i love the fmish percussion used in some techno..can sound very underground and psychedelic when set to sound dissonant with the fm amount and tuning.. this lead to lot of the dissonant percussive sound, impact use in game and horror movies.
all these sounds heavily modulated i find are the most fun ones, hard sync, ring, fm, mix of this.. i would have a eurorack modular only crazy psychelic sound and drums would come out of it
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 18:27
Same here. Too much aliasing on digital synths to get these ones right, imo. The Phatty's self oscillating VCF with VCO modulating its frequency and the adding the VCF ADSR to do the tweaking, yields some great results. The passing that through the Moog MF-102 gives amazing results.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 18:32
i like some digital ones too, but true it don' have same charm.. for someone that make music higtly dependent on heavy modulated stuff, like some forest trance getting a analog modular imo could make a night and day difference in the overall sound, crazy modulated stuff just sound so good when it s pure and liquid without artifacts
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 18:41
As soon as the modulation goes well within the audio range and the VCF opens up/oscillator plays high notes, I hear all sorts of aliasing artifacts on the Virus.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 18:54
mate your leads and fxs are really transanding me , sound great, the sounds have a nice dimension/ separation/ 3d .. all these quality absent of most full on i have in my itune playlist..not much pleasure listen to that music tbh.. it s too sterile and 2d
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 19:05
Cheers. That's the Moog Slim Phatty doing the FX in that track with heavy use of the Moog MF-102. I cannot stress how much I am relying on that analogue ring modulator for the sci-fi retro FX stuff.
Most people will not understand/care about it being made with an analog synth, but to me that is where I have the most fun in the studio.
Building sounds from the base up, also inspires me to work in ways, I never did with other synths, before.
The dimension comes from simply recording things twice and panning them left and right. No special tricks or plug ins, just using the oldest trick in the book.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 19:07
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On 2012-11-28 15:44, Ryu-X wrote:
I might need a little more explanation because i haven't used FM ever.
You should! The explanation is simple: you manipulate oscillators, but instead of them being added together, one oscillator modulates another one. Search for FM synthesis on Google You can get really wacky stuff with it (and many defend that you can synthesize any possible sound with FM).
To make those types of leads, I'd recommend jamming around with an FM synth, RECORDING the audio of your moves. After, start chopping the audio up into rhythmical ways, like the example you showed. It's possible to make this with only MIDI and a synth, but it might be more difficult with the automations to get exactly what you want, whilst when in audio it'e easier to chop up and glitch out.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 19:10
what sort of sound you send into the moog ring modulator and get good result ?
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 19:29
Classic thing I do, is to put the VCF at self oscillation (the Phatty VCO does not have a sine wave output).
Close the level of the VCOs in the mixer so there is nothing else besides the sine wave, generated by the self oscillating VCF.
Then either get the VCO to modulate the VCF's cut-off, or an LFO (the Phatty's LFOs go well into the audio range...not as far as the Doepfer LFOs that go up to about 5khz though). Then also set an ADSR to modulate the VCF's cut-off to design a slow rising/falling sweep, a tight laser zap...of some rhythmical sequence that I design with some well placed note triggers.
So that patch goes out the Phatty and goes into the MF-102 Ring Modulator, which also has another sine wave VCO and an extra sine/square LFO. The Ring Modulator produces the sum and difference of its on board VCO and the incoming signal (the FM patch from the Phatty). That is where all the magic happens. FM fx sounds are generally dissonant, but with the Ring VCO you can have a kind of tuned dissonance to fit the root note (or any other interval) of your tune. Slight variations in the input, yield massive changes to the output. On top of that I can manually tweak the Rong Mod VCO's frequency and then repeat the process for the second track, in order to have it in stereo. Not getting it perfectly right results in a massive stereo image when the two mono channels are panned hard left/right. On top of that, I can have the left channel doing some rising thing and have the same patch doing some falling thing with a matched time interval...which sounds fantastic on headphones...its like your brain is doing a airplane roll inside your skull
That is the most basic use of it...I can go on for pages on other stuff I do, with percussive FM patches from the Phatty and sweeping the MF-102 VCO for percussive space-clangs.
There's an obvious x0xb0x acid line, some leads from the Phatty and quite a few leads from the Virus C and Nord Lead 1.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 19:35
Ok nice to hear that, maybe i can use the Sega Nomad (Sega Genesis) Synth i want to build in some months (it uses Yamaha YM2612 FM Sound Chip), till then i will be playing around a little and maybe achieve any similar sound soon Thanks guys
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You can get really wacky stuff with it (and many defend that you can synthesize any possible sound with FM).
