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how to get that crystal clear fat sound?
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 22:07
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well figure it out mate - what ever u touch will have an effect, just understand why before u mess wiv its alteration , just another way of mixing..
well it depends on the task! say if i want wide bass instead of pissing around with hipassing the sidechannel at 150hz with an M/S activated eq il use a mono maker (my case BX Control v2) and set it at 150hz "then narrow the image" the frequencies iz field is now central yet wide with +1 corrilation with great mono translation.
ya dont have to do this - these r just my experiments, but if u wana brake a few rules where the stereo field is concerned then M/S eq tweaking u would need....go mad and not worry on its translation..get it sounding super wide yet it doesn't touch the correlation movement much .....correct M/S processing ..this shit is sumthing of an addition only if u wana go deeper...nuthing more
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snowdogg
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 22:19
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i meant about the last step of your tip "make sure you convert to mono" -why?, that's what the correlation meters there for?
i havent heard of a mono maker you set to a freq, so i assume your talking about bx control? ahh cool no worries!, im just trying to glean more knowledge 
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 22:23
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na just the lo frequencies set at fixed mono point not converting it to be completely mono..
for exampple i want to use Elevatya wider boy pro on my bass,,and i dont want to use its internal mono maker - il use bx control. find the sweet spots then narrow image and make 0-150hz mono ! that way u aint gotta piss around layering
thats a bass example of the processing..
if u have on the master channel " a mono maker control" it just keeps the lows clean from any phasing problems! thats one point of the monomaker - but depends on your track and how u manage it...a m/s side channel set at 150z will do if u wana widen - gives u lots more space to play with i find and keeps the low end clean and stable..
dont mean to make it complicated ..but once got jist it isnt really as complex as it seems....
for sound designing its great to have these set ups, see how wide u can get stuff without going over...theres different types of widness "sounding" if ya get that balance then its a great illusion to hear
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snowdogg
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 22:46
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cool bro i nice tip! thats sweet you can just go crazy and then mono just the bass portion at the end, ill check out that plugin |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 22:54
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bx control i love it... just to be sure its nice to also hipass the side channel along with the monomaker coz sumtimes the stereo information can overwhelm and it shake to left and right off center when it should stay centered with it on!! so experiment wisely
the choice of where u set the sum point depends entirely on the source by the way -150hz was example butnotmuch go below that otherwise it will jilt it towards the -1
well go crazy is good but again have to consider mix space "so u would also have to narrow the image of the chosen shit! but however it can allow the room for the kick to breathe instead of this dead mono flap hum of conflicting frequencies of bullshit
the low mids r nice slightly widened for me, but i wouldnt venture below the 120hz mark otherwise its a phase 4 all fuk up and doesn't translate well |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 02:01
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mono makers hp the side , you can just use a eq on the side with the slope you want it s the same with extra control |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 02:08
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yeh or that
but with bx controlu get the handy advantage of narrowing or increasing the width |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 02:09
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it boost the side for that? if ye s often it s still better to do it freqeuncy dependent with a eq for better result i find |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 02:10
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no - has to contain both informations otherwise it will fuk up
yeh mate or use eq,, pom i know ya kno this shit aswell,,i learnt it in 2009,u leant it in 2005...lol just another use of it all in here - these same questions these same answers its funny, try the search its funny, my questions such as these in 2008, like a cycle we all apart of lol haha, the questions just keep on comin lol |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 02:12
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not sure..brainworks stuff is all about mid side, i dont think they have steroizer.. i think it s just side boost but maybe you re right, anyway my point is that side boost are often better with a eq.
lot of stereo enhancer are just simple mid/side plug with side boost, somet advanced one are frequency dependent i think . these wont turn you a mono singal in stereo. |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 02:14
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yeh i wasnt talkin about "side boosting"
i was talking about correcting the bottom end - keeping it clean from phasing if use a stereo effect on it - such as reverb,delay,phaser etc" control its -1 0 +1 off centered correlation i was on about..your not getting me...about the bx control..forget it no worries.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 02:19
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yeah not familiar with monomaker, was just mentioning that if it s just for make everyhting mono in the low you can just hp the side on the eq and no need extra plug
voxengo msed can be very usefull, encodoe decode and offter mid/side balance |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 02:21
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yeh or use eq to do it...Pro q my fav for that job,love its interface and qualities...
ya dont have to use bx control no - but its a really nice addition ..thats all
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 02:24
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i often boost the side a little on reverb with eq. but best is to use 2 verb , one from left one for right to create more stereo information with using slighty different settings.. soemtimes fxs i dont really care if they get really lower or cancel in mono so i can really go wilde these days as long as the dry sound dont loose much.. |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 02:39
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ahh mate u should check this out forabit of fun ..especiallyon ya olddrum loop samples with stereo info in them..this can do sum interesting fx with the dynamic movement of the Mid side channel set the filters up and away u go....
http://www.brainworx-music.de/en/plugins/bx_dyneq_v2
i quote " The new INVERSE MODE allows for really new and fresh sounds and results beyond the average for mixing, mastering and sound-design"
pritty cool this for sound design...all it does is separate the M/S they move dynamically instead u automating them
also u can sidechain it just for mid mono or side stereo - never done this but im sure would be cool..
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