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how to get that crystal clear fat sound?
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 10, 2013 21:57
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no worries (thank alien bug also as it was him that mentioned lead group compression originally in the thread,was just sayin to astro that is the explanation lol of wot he wrote) btw u dont have to do that - just a mixing thing..a matter of taste really as it character - the chain that i mention would be good to have on a send for all the leads or percussion to go in actually come to think of it rather than just having on one channel...hmmmmm man im idiot
its your laboratory , upto u on the order u wish to experiment on (within correct conceptive reasons ) - either works or it doesnt, so have fun finding out iz what i say!!
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Fakso
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Posted : Mar 10, 2013 22:05
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I expected such an answer:D and it's mostly the right thing to say but maybe there are doubts in so much compression, I'm not that deep in dynamics but I want to get deeper, the last experiences with glueing and compression where positive according to sound picture improvement, will give it a try then, maybe whitenoise like fx channles seperated to "normal fx" then...and I just notice that it's sometimes not really compression, some don't show any gain reduction but still attack and release + the own sound of a device make their magic
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 10, 2013 22:13
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just about what u can get out of a sound really..for that lush wide shit its good to have several hours (with breaks lol) on just that experimentation alone....explore M/S processing, phasors, reverbs, different orders that u put them in, distortion befor or after have a play etc try insane chains to really basic ones next to eachother...compression no compression, bandpass filters to hi pass filters Lfos to filters envelopes,unique mod matrix set ups to trippy wet and dry grid automations...etc etc etc - go mad and enjoy a result...
as for what u say about Fx buss comp yeh if it needs it - i use the Psp vintage for that kinda thing , really good for gluing up a drum track,fx or whatever it iz , hav to go easy on the Knee and drive tho, but it can push out alot that needs to be herd before crushing itself senseless, there is that fine line that u dont cross b4 it starts sounding shit tho, so go easy with it
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jonsta
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 15:16
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The trick is to use good sound sources, good plugins and synths... and that's about it. I barely even EQ anymore, just cut the very low frequencies @ 40hz and very few ajustments on some high resonant instruments. Also a good trick to produce a track is using only plugins from 1 company. Say, you make a track using only synths by spectrasonics or rob papen. Even when the synths aren't the best, if you only use synths from the same company the mix will sound much better and glued, you won't need much EQ or compression.
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Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 15:49
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also dont forget how important is a pair of good monitors that you are familliar with em and a good treatment room.
You must hear every single detail to make your "crystal clear fat sound"
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Fakso
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 17:43
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Any specifics on reverbs?
I want that crystal clear prog sound and compression helps a lot get things fat and somehow like more room, but I wonder whats about reverb, e.g damping or not, special eq tricks or something like that, fx on sends etc.
I read that for tech house a chorus is not bad on the send behind reverb, and it sure sounds different also tried amp which enhanced the room feel(just louder reflections, or in addition harmonics to make the reflection more creamy?)
also any suggestions on reverb plugins? I have epicVerb but there are different sounds and types I assume
@geom: I am working on that, discover more and more combinations and the feel that this and that will fit or try this etc. I rarely did more than 50 wet on delays, a big mistake I'd say, sounds more psy and dreamy when it's over 50% when melody e.g
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 18:02
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yep makes a hell of alot of difference in the order u put them in..shit can get really experimental one bounced a nice riff part into hit points , and separate channels for each of those hits to deploy ya combinational fx onto, gets even more experimental,,till ya end up at the end of the rabbit hole haa !!!
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supergroover
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 19:08
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@Fakso: try valhalla or artsacoustic. I really dig those reverbs.
Cut the lows of the reverbs. By separate eq or in the plugin.
Most important imho is to find sounds that don't occupy the same frequency range. Separate sounds by panning, freqs range and time.
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Fakso
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 19:22
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On 2013-03-13 19:08, supergroover wrote:
@Fakso: try valhalla or artsacoustic. I really dig those reverbs.
Cut the lows of the reverbs. By separate eq or in the plugin.
Most important imho is to find sounds that don't occupy the same frequency range. Separate sounds by panning, freqs range and time.
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Thx will try them out
yes my notes playing in different octaves if they are played at the same time, dunno how else one could solve this problem, cutting freqs doesn't really work for me with that
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snowdogg
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 21:12
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i think its important to use the stereo field correctly, if it sounds wide and phat ppl instantly go "wow great mix" |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 21:30
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hmm i always got my eye on the correlation - where M/S comes in handy for me. wana real wide liquified phaser , but it aint half correlating negatively, M/S then is your friend - surprising how wide u can get shit with the correlation barley moving toward the central +1 with a bit of M/S mono fixed sum point tweak happy days
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snowdogg
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 21:52
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what yo mean? just phase the side signal instead and it stays right in mono?
i havent used a correlation meter, but i do check stuff in mono
heres some good tips i found on gearslutz
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| Delaying one side of a stereo channel can be a very effective tool to create stereo width... but it's not the only one. Some examples;
1.) Simple panning of different elements... collectively as a mix will sound nicely spread.
2.) Use a similar, but different sound on either side of the channel... ie, take two similar snare samples, pan one hard left & the other hard right.
3.) Re-pitch; if you need to use the same sample, duplicate it, pan one hard left & one hard right, detune one up slightly & the opposite side down slightly.
4.) As Kasprouch suggested, use a stereo widener plug-in that does not that operate by delaying one side of the signal (most do, but there are plenty that don't if you do some research.).
5.) EQ one side of the stereo field differently from the other; there are a fair few EQs that let you unlink the stereo sides & EQ each separately. I purchased Blue Cat audio's Stereo Triple EQ, but the new Fabfilter Pro-Q looks particularly tasty.
Just by taking a little high from one side and adding a little to the other can create a nice sense of width.
This can be put into use along with a little delay to the side you have removed some high end from, and you then have the Haas Effect |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 21:55
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yeh similar - pro q is what i use for eqing the stereo field separately , i didnt mean using the phaser on just the sides , ment using it then alter the MID and SIDEs seperatly , nice results can be discovered..
as prevously i mentiond that aslong as u have a fixed mono sum point at the end of the chain u can do whatever pleases u and get stuff really wide with +1 correlation its great!! go really fuking wide without it barly moving toward 0 -1 - keeps everything nice and containd without disappearing to further a "field"
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snowdogg
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 21:56
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more from Simonator:
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| Beginning your mix in mono maybe... but producing the entire song?? I'm not convinced.
I see the logic in this, but I personally feel this is overkill if your objective in doing so is just to prevent phase issues (which are EASILY avoided if you recognise what causes them in the first place.)
At least for me, an absolutely vital ingredient of my sound design, arrangement and general production is the stereo field.
On the simplest level just EQing elements differently on each side... this is a SOUND DESIGN task; you do this at the beginning when you create the sound. You would not want to get all your track produced nicely, then at the mixing stage start to add high frequencies to one side of a stereo field... IMO this would effectively be leaving the mixing stage and going back to prudcution/sound design, so why not just do it right in the first place.
On a slightly deeper level, I might for example create a chord, but then have two instances of the same synth play it- one panned left with the other right, and then divided the notes of the chord up between the two sides so that each side of the stereo field has totally different notes that come together to for a chord. Perhaps then I might introduce a tremolo effect to it and/or some stereo delay.
All of this is integral to the sound design, and you simply cannot do this at the mixing stage.
Consider that all the following effects:
Phaser
Flanger
Stereo Delay
Vibrato
Are dependent on having a stereo image.
creating a song in mono might be an interesting theoretical experiment, but I would not recommend you adopt this as your modus operandi. |
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snowdogg
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 22:03
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cool so different settings on mid side.. nice tip!,
not quite clear on why you have to sum it mono afterwards.? |
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