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how to get that crystal clear fat sound?
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 17:16
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yeh i am loving V9 waves they really have done well with there native emu and progression, why there r so many LL1 LLL2 LL3 They just keep getting better. the sound of the ll3 multi just wows me i kno it aint eq but this compared to there others just goes to show there evolution in the making...H eq i havnt tried yet...
that focusing eq i was on about it is different - its good for quick smile curve mid range cleans rather than careful notch subtractions......
waves inphase - i tried getting really experimental the other day and was using this on a bassline and Fx tracks -not the one in the shop, another one...gotta say it made me happy... just av to be carful ya dont over do the mmseconds and keep it subtle and in the green,check what it sounds like in 100% mono just ion case it sound fuked and A/B tweak till it sounding and sitting nice widish but yet still in the centre, gets the fuk off the kick completely leaving them room to bounce as one ... yep loving waves plugins these day
Pom ur in this, couldnt find my one il keep looking, but in the other thread we startin talkin about M/S and using it for FX rather than a fixing tool u pritty much was on the same lines
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HelloMellow
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 18:00
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I would suggest you try putting on some distortion or saturation.
Tried U-He Diva? It sounds fat as fuck.
Try to layer a couple of synths over eachother, then group them and put a compressor/saturator on it.
Would you please provide me with a sample tune/synth?
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 18:06
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@Pom - You mean like on massives phase waveform osc modulator,,heaps of fun with that?..
@hellomellow - what u mean a sample, sample/synth of what?
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 20:08
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if when you use massive or diva it sound as thin as albino or vanguard in the mix , the production is phat !
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On 2013-03-02 18:06, Geom3 wrote:
@Pom - You mean like on massives phase waveform osc modulator,,heaps of fun with that?..
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not sure, i mean with the phase osc retriger for example on kick, drums ects, it s a bit like delaying the track by some millisecond more or less but it dont move in fact, just the waveform, for the relation ship between some sounds it can help, like kick bassline |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 20:37
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ah rite i c,yeh im with u...justa matter of experimentation , somtimes the phase inverted iz nice other not..for that "big electro bass sound u wouldn't sum times have Osc set to retrigger but let the wavforms morph out giving it its own space in the mix kinda thing |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 21:57
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set to not to trigger sorry |
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 22:30
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you guys are mentioning compressor, how you guys set up compressor?you just turn it on on standart setup or you guys are talking about sidechaning?
if its about sidechaning like one said, it really get a progressive,full on effect on melodies, but not what i want in goa trance...
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phase osc retriger, where i find it on ableton?its on phaser?
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 3, 2013 00:22
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no i ment phase dial on a synth, set it and choose where u like to start on the waveform, for example sylenth has phase knob if i want to increase the click or attack id find a clicky spot of the wave form,what i ment by osc retrig is with it swiched on keeps the waveform from "wondering off" turning it off u can explore with more voices per oscillator..depends on the track , rooooom u have and the style
as for compressors just get ya hands dirty and see how they work first..not always needed.. try not to get sucked into hypes of what ya need and dont..just do in return learn.,but i have an example,my kick lacks punch as i was to lazy to synthisize its pitch mods proply , so i shove a compressor on there,set at a low threshold first and ratio,then slowly increase the attck until the bastard bytes, mess with the release so it dont overload the job your giving it.
you make a good kick and not need a compressor = justa fix tool
but how ever if i have a running lead with crazy fx i may get crazy peaks so compress gentle saturation shaves off those edges and keep the channel healthy for headroom
there is no set up as such - as it greatly depends on what ya feeding it, different eachtime, so settings will change..
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Mar 3, 2013 04:24
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On 2013-03-03 00:22, Geom3 wrote:
no i ment phase dial on a synth, set it and choose where u like to start on the waveform, for example sylenth has phase knob if i want to increase the click or attack id find a clicky spot of the wave form,what i ment by osc retrig is with it swiched on keeps the waveform from "wondering off" turning it off u can explore with more voices per oscillator..depends on the track , rooooom u have and the style
as for compressors just get ya hands dirty and see how they work first..not always needed.. try not to get sucked into hypes of what ya need and dont..just do in return learn.,but i have an example,my kick lacks punch as i was to lazy to synthisize its pitch mods proply , so i shove a compressor on there,set at a low threshold first and ratio,then slowly increase the attck until the bastard bytes, mess with the release so it dont overload the job your giving it.
you make a good kick and not need a compressor = justa fix tool
but how ever if i have a running lead with crazy fx i may get crazy peaks so compress gentle saturation shaves off those edges and keep the channel healthy for headroom
there is no set up as such - as it greatly depends on what ya feeding it, different eachtime, so settings will change..
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i will explore compressor more, im very noob on productioning soo i havent learned all.
my friend me told me to turn on compressor on every track of my song...but he havent told me all...
i mean, to dont get a fuzzy messed sound i should turn compressor, but if i leave it on the normal setup it would alredy hold the edges right? i dont need to mess with thresholds or anything (talking about mastering right). But u are telling me , that if i work with compressor on any kinda of part of my sounds, i can set up thersholds,attack to get a fatter sound?
i always tought with a low the threshold bar on both sides it will cut,compress my sound...
well thats my doubts
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 3, 2013 05:04
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no fuck mastering for a minuet and master channels - its the mixing - of the sounds , its upto u how u use the tools available..either for fix or for creative sound design , aslong as it dont sound like a dynamic error u should be good to do what ever...
u need to get your head around the concept of why u would need to use one...like the example i gave ya.
tools in a tool box..electronic producers are also their own mixing engineers its tuff shit but its apart of the process..
u could do it all from the synth use its filters and velocities without touching a single tool,, but i like to explore the tools and to see what effect they have,sum bad sum good - its a matter of experiment its your LAB not mine mate
unlike if your in a band recording in a studio then it would be mixin engineers job to eq compress and mix volume faders to bring stuff in thats to far away or to upfront, kick to quiet but cant increase fader then compress set threshold till it bytes, all comps r different aswell.sum better for kicks etc others are not..i cant give u numbers threshold settings and times
in this case its upto u to decide wether or not u need to use them...
does it need a thwack? or does it need to be pushed back? fuk knoes untill the sound is in my ears..
best book i read about mixing when i was new to all this was this one....still am new to all this really in away, everyones always learning just depends on how much time you have and the people u know "the more experienced the better.."
http://www.amazon.com/Mixing-Audio-Concepts-Practices-Tools/dp/0240520688
just have a play, get a kick and a comp and just see what happens, once use to it and understand what it iz its doing, eventually will just sink in and will only use when its necessary
hope that clarifies
aask me a question on music theory mate ..cluless lol, thats my avenue of focus rite now..mixing tho luv it..strive for quality and im never satisfied until its crystal..
peace. keep at it mate..ul b fine
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Mar 4, 2013 02:07
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On 2008-10-04 22:24:54, elesdifrend wrote:
when i am doing a track, with FL8, or ableton, and using good vst´s, albino, predator, alien303 & etc... i still get them just to sound like toys.....not this nice fat crystal clear sound typical for a good track. How do they do it? whats the secret?
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change vst's the ones you are using are shit... that's the secret 
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 4, 2013 02:31
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no secret - the secret is giving your self a chance to lean...its called progression.
i agree on those 3 bieng shit tho..lol
im liking Zebra with "Phase Mistress" a Nice versatile EQ and psp vintage warmer at the mo - bang sum shit out with that..aint just about the synth
Ace, Phonec and z3ta 2 are also my favorites... i would say Diversion but my CPU hates it. but i will say Dune................................................................
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Mar 8, 2013 18:50
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 8, 2013 19:19
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experiment with fx yeah, saturation plugs, and most important the EQ, if you re begining i m not sure you need to use compressor specially on every track , but experiment ,try and see when it help to make things sound better or not.. |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 8, 2013 19:36
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be sure to try out Sound toys "PhaseMistress" she is devilishly dominating 
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