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How To Get A Good Kick (as part of the bass kick tutorial coming soon)
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Becktrank
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 22:28
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hey thanks seppa. I m thinkin in downloading the demo of bazzism to give it a try, but sure your tutorial wii be helpful when i find some interesting kicks that i might wanna sample, but anyway, can you give me a hint?
I have these sampled kick`s, and i`ve put it into edison editor to see the wave form, i think the tail is too long, but i dont have good monitors(i dont have monitors) so i really can say if it is interfering with the bass. Here is a pic:
http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu219/becktrank/kicktail.jpg
I dont have much experience with this, but my point is, i think the tail of the kick is to close to the next kick, am i being too paranoid?
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Seppa
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 22:59
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Hey becktrank your very welcome
Sure try bazzism you might like it.
I used it quite a lot with a lot processing and wave editing... its a very interesting plugin.
From the pic I cant see any mergin waves.. looks like you manage to isolate the kick completly...
Your ears are most important tool. if you cant hear anything wrong with it get on with it....
cheers
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 01:53
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hehehe, I didn't think you were being funny, and I wasn't trying to be off either.
At one point you call it a technique, and I'm far happier with that description of it - a well known technique - because that seems to me to imply that other techniques can quite happily exist - wheras when its called a fact... it somehows seems to imply, this is the one and only way to do it! Its quite possible I'm reading more into it then you meant.
As for my kick quality?
http://www.yousendit.com/download/UmNMa3ZERnc3bUJMWEE9PQ
I work with the kick synth producing audio in real time, so that I can tweak parameters along with the b-line synth in real time, which gives me what I feel is the most amount of control in getting them to sit absolutely as I want them.
I'm sure other people using a wide variety of methods and techniques different to my own can get equally good or better or worse results.  At the end of the day, the most important thing is to find and master a technique that makes sense to you.
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Zoopy
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 05:02
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On 2009-04-04 01:53, Speakafreaka wrote:
hehehe, I didn't think you were being funny, and I wasn't trying to be off either.
At one point you call it a technique, and I'm far happier with that description of it - a well known technique - because that seems to me to imply that other techniques can quite happily exist - wheras when its called a fact... it somehows seems to imply, this is the one and only way to do it! Its quite possible I'm reading more into it then you meant.
As for my kick quality?
http://www.yousendit.com/download/UmNMa3ZERnc3bUJMWEE9PQ
I work with the kick synth producing audio in real time, so that I can tweak parameters along with the b-line synth in real time, which gives me what I feel is the most amount of control in getting them to sit absolutely as I want them.
I'm sure other people using a wide variety of methods and techniques different to my own can get equally good or better or worse results. At the end of the day, the most important thing is to find and master a technique that makes sense to you.
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Still using psykick version 1... Bazzism is alright but I find you can get much weirder and more diverse kicks from psykick 1!
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Seppa
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 14:22
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On 2009-04-04 01:53, Speakafreaka wrote:
I work with the kick synth producing audio in real time, so that I can tweak parameters along with the b-line synth in real time, which gives me what I feel is the most amount of control in getting them to sit absolutely as I want them.
I'm sure other people using a wide variety of methods and techniques different to my own can get equally good or better or worse results. At the end of the day, the most important thing is to find and master a technique that makes sense to you.
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Absolutly can't agree more with you on that.
not bad what you got here.
See this has alway been the dilemma I have.
While making a kick on soundforge I always get to a kick that cut well through the mix but it makes very hard for me to get the right shape. I mean after tones of processing I might end up with something descent but never as good as some of the kick I resampled.
Whereas when I did a kick with bazzism I often ended up with the right shape but to me the kick did not cut through the mix like with soundforge.
So I would be stupid not too ask what kind of synthesis do you apply(is it bazzism? because unless my ears are tired this is a pretty good kick you got here and so far I haven't heard a single descent good kick made with this techinque on this forum
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Seppa
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 15:17
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 15:39
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No, I don't use bassizm.
I use my own generator based on the infected tutorial - but alot of synths could also do it - as long as they have three free envelopes and don't limit the amount of pitch mod you can apply like alot of synths do.
I EQ carefully - I use precise notches to cut out any troublesome freqs, and very shallow shelves to alter how the kick sits in the mix, HP to somewhere slightly above the bass findamental and LP somewhere around 5khz (depending, obviously on what sounds right). Then I put it through a group stage with the bass, where I compress both with a gentle ratio, but a low threshold, so quite a lot of the sound is being compressed a little bit. Then I further EQ the group channel with more notches to get rid of any issues the two have together, or that the compression has made stand out (this also *binds* the two together), and that is it.
Yours sounds very good too! .
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 16:11
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i ll describe a technique that work well for me when i want fast and good result(useful when you re not alone in the studio and don t want to loose time on production but still have a mix with some good potential ) i noticed with detailed monitors it s very easy to get lost at what you were aiming at the first time (trying new things ,new eq,tweaking again the source.. in the end you end up with a worst sound ... i m sure it happened to many of us ) so what i m doing more and more (working great for full on cause many use trilogy ) it s to load few bars of a well produced track in my sequencer (a track with same key as the one i want to write and well produced ,listen at low and high volume to be sure ) then i make a 2 bar loop with trilogy and bazzism and the track ,1 bar my kick bass second bar the track playing and then i tweak the source , that way you can t be lost ,always the track that remind you what you are aiming for ...i can match some tracks at 90% even without any processing just tweaking the source and that in few minutes(last i did was Alien vs The Cat vs Shanti - The Purist, life style rmx for exemple ) and then you can tweak them more to your taste (equing ,dynamics... ), spoting some mixing errors to make it sound even better.(btw i dont copy the midi pattern,just the production of course )
it works great for full on cause that kind of psytrance have a more natural sound, meaning the work is on getting the source right ,you would be suprised how close you can be with no fx at all, in some track that sound great i wonder if they even equed the bassline sometimes... |
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 20:14
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i dont like this idea too much
we want to learn to make kick like in the cd not to cut and paste it!
usefull tutorial will be to send great kick sample and explain it from scratch.
might do it soon , if i got some free time..
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0hz
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 20:47
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sounds like domestic - flaming dart kick |
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orange
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 21:07
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lantiocho
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 21:13
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Seppa
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 21:25
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On 2009-04-04 15:39, Speakafreaka wrote:
No, I don't use bassizm.
I use my own generator based on the infected tutorial - but alot of synths could also do it - as long as they have three free envelopes and don't limit the amount of pitch mod you can apply like alot of synths do.
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cool. I'll have to try that. Is it my understanding you assign 3 pitch envellopes ?
It seems to me you managed to apply the infected technique real time successfully.
Now somehow you mentioned some synth have the ability to use 3 free envellopes (I guess pitch) but you made your own plugin.
I'm curious why? is it for ease of use or because you were not happy with the result you got with other synths ?
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we want to learn to make kick like in the cd not to cut and paste it!
usefull tutorial will be to send great kick sample and explain it from scratch.
might do it soon , if i got some free time..
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No matter what gets the job done... but I do agree I rather make my own kick of the same caliber than sampling it.
Unfortunatly like I said earlier I haven't heard many good kick posted in this forum.
If you know how to make such good kicks than I think I will be looking foward to your tutorial
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vision dream
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Posted : Apr 6, 2009 08:08
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well seems to be like stole the kick from some body else, could it be good, but not like if you know how to do some one that likes to your self,its what i think...... |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 6, 2009 15:21
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Yeah, three envelopes, one for click, one for body, one for sub thump, all on pitch.
I made my own plugin largely as a joke - the original took half an hour to program - but also to teach other people how to make their own kick drums, and that there was nothing that couldn't be achieved using a semi-modular. Ironically, its become easily the most downloaded thing I've ever produced!
I've had good results out of Komplexor, and Absynth is also a really good option for the job. I'd recommend something that allows 'bendy' envelope shapes. There are a lot of synths that *look* like they would be good, such as Albino, but actually don't let you modulate the pitch enough. But just as important as the synth (we are talking about a bent sine wave afterall, nothing spectacular) is really really precise EQ, which no generator can teach.
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