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How To Get A Good Kick (as part of the bass kick tutorial coming soon)
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Seppa
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 10:41:04
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Intro:
Since I had quite a few pms and some seem interested by how to make a good kick bass I will start with the following short tutorial. (got ten minutes before leaving to work)
If you want good kick bass you want first a good kick...
After spending years trying to make the perfect kick I came back to the roots. In fact its a well knows fact that in dance music kick were sampled from previous recording and processed later on.
how to sample a good kick:
First off you need to find a track where the at least one rep of the kick and the bass are player without any other sound. you won't find that easily but there are many good tracks outhere that are good candidates.
If you can, make sure it comes from a cd or wave format which you can get on beatport. if its an mp3 make sure its the highest quality possible.
next you will need to sample the whole kick and some of the attack of the bassl, because the tail of your kick will merge with you bass in full on, and you don't want to loose some of that power full low end wounffff.
look at the shape of the kick and see that the wave will start to be mixed because it has little cavities this means the bass is starting to kick in... you need to adentify the end of the kick.
Once you have trimmed your kick so your kick start at the precise attack and end at its proper point then move to phase 2 processing.
processing:
now you have your full kick and some of the bass merge to its tail..
now we need to get read of the attack of the bass which is mainly mid mid high freqs so this can be sorted with eqs.
on your wave editor (use sound forge for samplingg and processing) highlight the merged part of the tail of the kick and aappl y and low pass filter to get rid of the bass attack and voila!!!
in most case compression is not necessary ... but dynamic work can work if necessary like volume automation or downpitch shifting but in most case its not necessary if you get a good source.
Conclusion:
get that kick right and your bass job will be already easier..
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Medea
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 11:16
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 11:25
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In fact its a well knows fact that in dance music kick were sampled from previous recording and processed later on.
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Its not a well known fact from where I'm sitting.
Sure yes, some do/did that. But a lot didn't/don't.
It seems to me that to getting the 'perfect' kick is easier if you have as much control as possible over the source sound - and that to me suggests that tailoring your own to suit is a worthwhile undertaking!
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jizy
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 14:57
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Bazzism what more could you ask for!!!!!!!
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 15:04
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 15:11
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a wav editor with a sine pitched is still the best imo .
about sampling it ll probably take you more time to find a good kick to sample than making one by yourself |
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lantiocho
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 15:38
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You can also sample the bassline together with the kick, while you are at it! I agree that bazzism is a great tool! Processing of the kick / bass is a pain in the arse though!
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Zoopy
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 21:52
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Jesus christ. There are soooo many topics on this. It's a simple pitched sine wave, spend time playing with it. This tutorial will work, I guess, but it doesn't really teach you anything. |
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Seamoon
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 00:34
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 11:15
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On 2009-04-02 21:52, Zoopy wrote:
Jesus christ. There are soooo many topics on this. It's a simple pitched sine wave, spend time playing with it.
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what he said.
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 11:32
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megaraver has best killargh kicks ,, two people have already died by his kicks, about 1000 have died from chuck norris kicks and the story goes on....
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 11:51
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 12:33
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im gonna sample them in the weekend, thanx for reminder mate
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Seppa
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 21:03
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Pretty much the kind of reply I expected unfortunalty.
I hope I did not hurt anyones feelings with this tread
I feel like answering to 2 comments that deserve a reply
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| a wav editor with a sine pitched is still the best imo .
About sampling i'll probably take you more time to find a good kick to sample than making one by yourself |
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Its arguable. To find the right source is not that easy and to to sample well, requires a bit of experience this is why i started with this tutorial( which is adressed to beginners by the way since there are thankfully so many talented professionals on this very forum section) but to master the infected mushroom technic is not any easier.
I'm personally very demanding and spend a lot of time with tweaking things some people might not even waste time with. I never managed to be fully happy, with this tecnik I always endup resampling mixing with other spending a lot time with dynamic and eq ect... its certainly the right teknic but man when you got a few really good kicks at your disposal it kind of feels good.
everyone has its personal experienced. whatever works
Fred you have a point and a good point and I have mine which is as good in my eyes. So don't take any of the sarcasm personally becasue its not adressed to you.
by the way I'd love to chat with you again ( ca fait grave longtemps la)
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Its not a well known fact from where I'm sitting.
Sure yes, some do/did that. But a lot didn't/don't.
It seems to me that to getting the 'perfect' kick is easier if you have as much control as possible over the source sound - and that to me suggests that tailoring your own to suit is a worthwhile undertaking!
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I'm not trying to be funny here but its is a well known fact in dance music. when you use a kick from battery or ultrabeat or vengeance so many have been taken from records or kick used in released record given by artist . So even today this is very much current.
There is always a point of origine for a kick and a processed sampled version might sound quite different from the original but often retaining the right timbre
Just because in psytrance a lot of folks tend to use this technic or get a kick made with this technic doesnt make dance music less sample orientated.
Now a quick comment, Those of you that are happy with bazzism or the infected teknik or any other teknik for that matter, then by all means don't pay attention to my tutorial, but for those who knows or feels there kick is not exactly how they like it (even with bazzism) than this tutorial is for you.
Now honestly maybe I'm just not that good, but I'm curious to hear how good your kicks are guys. a simple lowest quality sample will do (just to make sure nobody steal It )
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 22:18
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Seppa do you have a sample? |
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