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how to delay a sound to make it wider in ableton?
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Saii
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Posted : May 15, 2009 18:52:47
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hi guys,
i want to know how to make a sound wider using the method where you duplicate the track and make one panned hard right and one panned hard left and then delay one of them...
how do you do the delaying part?
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D-Alien
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Posted : May 15, 2009 19:06
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 15, 2009 19:16
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yveusss
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Posted : May 15, 2009 19:26
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I created an effect rack to do that, with 2 chains :
-One chain with only the dry sound panned hard left using the "utility" plugin,
-One chain with the utiliy + "simple delay plugin" panned hard right. I'm not in front of Live at the moment but there is an option on the "simple delay" to create very short delays. Turn the feedback to zero so that the delay doesn't repeat itself.
Try different delay time, you may have to change the panning too.
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D-Alien
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Posted : May 15, 2009 23:48
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Saii
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Posted : May 16, 2009 00:03
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wow!
thanks guys More than enough info!
i found the track delay i think its the easiest way honestly?
btw, what about the ableton racks..i never used them what do they do?
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Saii
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Posted : May 16, 2009 00:05
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@ oxidelic (or anyone 
i have a mac so i cannot download the touch delay plugin from voxengo (but i love their other plugins) what else does the same job on a mac intel? is there a plugin like that one so i dont have to make 2 tracks?
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 16, 2009 00:37
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If you are not used to using racks you really should get in to them, and it's super easy to do what yveusss described.
Just put an empty effect rack on the channel and open the chain view (the middle of the icons on the left).
Drag an utility onto where it says "Drop Audio Effects Here", then drag another utility to add a second chain.
Drag a Simple Delay onto the second chain.
Now just set the utility on the first chain to use left channel as input, and the right channel for the utility in the second chain.
Pan one chain left and one right and set the desired delay in the simple delay.
Now you created your own plugin for stereo width expansion, and you can assign a macro knob for stuff like controlling width. I'm not sure if assigning it to the dry/wet control on the Simple Delay or playing around with the panning is the best approach, or maybe a combination of both...play around with it and see what you think.
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yveusss
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Posted : May 16, 2009 02:26
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I also use fx racks to create a "pseudo send" or complex send :
1 chain with the dry signal
1 chain with a delay 100% wet + other FX (chorus on the delay for example)
The main advantage is the workflow and easy routing.
You can let this rack nested in the track FX, so you don't have to reach the Return track for this ...
I use instrument racks to save my favorite VSTs presets directly into Live. This way, I don't have to open vst ... remember the preset name ...find it , load it .... . I also made an instrument rack including "external instrument" for my nord rack, including several FXs ready to activate if needed.
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D-Alien
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Posted : May 16, 2009 05:48
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Spycht
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Posted : May 16, 2009 07:20
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I use the filter delay. Dry all the way up. Left and right delayed some number of milliseconds. Filter to taste. |
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Kane
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Posted : May 16, 2009 07:33
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You could just use Utility, or find a better free plugin. (Sorry if it's been posted)
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Spycht
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Posted : May 16, 2009 18:05
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I don't think utility actually creates a stereo spread. If I'm not mistaken it only narrows or exaggerates it. |
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Kane
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Posted : May 16, 2009 21:21
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No idea, I just know that in (at least) Live 6 and up, you can set the width to 100-200%. I rarely use it anyway..tons of free plugs that will do it much better.
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Upavas
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Posted : May 18, 2009 11:20
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in Fl, pan one track hard right, rout to another track, pan hard left, send to another channel and in that one delay to pre or post and set the wished parameters as to how far you delay the sound. Samples milliseconds I think even ticks?
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