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How to deal with almost finished tracks?
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 11:04
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What you describe reminds me of actually preparing a new mix for an already finished track  Imagine you've finished working on a track... a year passed, you are totally unsatisfied with it - but you say, it's a finished project, I can't touch it. But you can! A new mix! Think of how annoying it is to dive into an old project you hate already and try to vomit the good things out of you for this track. This is how I feel about working on old unfinished/finished projects - rotten food. Just thinking about opening one of my finished tracks and re-arrange it makes me sick.
One thing I learned through the process, is that after I forcefully finish some old project, I hate it so much - and it sounds shitty as well. I never got to the stage where I'd say: hmmm this came out to be nice after all.
Sorry, but working on old projects to me is a big no no.
  Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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supergroover
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 11:20
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I think it has to do alot with listening to your track as less as possible while working on it. Just try to continue with sounds and structures without listening to it again and again. You can do alot of things without listening to it.
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 19:46
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Wow guys... a lot of really helpful comments in here.
I really appreciate all of what you have said and will be taken into account.
supergroover i find very interesting your last post since i tend to listen a lot to my tracks in progress... some times i just turn lights off, smoke a j and listen like 4 or 5 times the track trying to figure out what is missing.
I have thought a lot of not listening that much but sometimes i need to in order to give coherence to the overall flow... but i do think this has to do with the feeling Trip- is describing also.... after a month or so of working and listening to the same track i feel exactly like:
"...to dive into an old project you hate already and try to vomit the good things out of you for this track. "
I do like some stuff in my tracks... what i don't like sometimes is something that i can't describe, is like a feeling of lackness... sometimes i feel i lack of style, movement, energy... i have to work on fixing this issues without thinking of starting all over again.
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braininavat
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 21:03
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On 2010-04-16 19:46, aciduss wrote:
I do like some stuff in my tracks... what i don't like sometimes is something that i can't describe, is like a feeling of lackness... sometimes i feel i lack of style, movement, energy...
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That feeling is probably because you know the track just isn't that good.
I've posted the painter Francis Bacon documentary on here before but look it up on youtube. I don't think you can top his advice on creating art..
Paint everyday if your "inspired" or not..But if the painting has gone down the wrong path and just sucks, then destroy the canvas. If you paint everyday then output is not a problem, if anything pruning output is.
Painters actually have an advantage over electronic musicians because electronic music is so easy to fix vs paint on a canvas, but that ease of correcting mistakes leads to wasting insane amounts of time down the wrong path.
Psytrance now more than ever needs masterpieces from artists. Not half inspired crap that artist struggled to finish..we have more than enough of that.
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 21:14
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| Psytrance now more than ever needs masterpieces from artists. Not half inspired crap that artist struggled to finish..we have more than enough of that. |
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I truly agree. I want to really make a difference... although high hopes are a mater of creativity vs skill & experience. |
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Medea
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 21:21
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I always have about 20 traсks in my "unfinished" folder. This is not a problem, you can finish them next year or later if you like them again after some time. I don't think that working on a track with a paper with "todo list" is a good idea. Only working with sound that inspires you curently does make sense.
Just take a rest of these tracks, go to new ones.
By the way, you can upload here what you currently have and suggest people to finish it. I have done so a couple of times, and many people replied, and i sent them sources. But noone had actually finished them =)) Maybe you will be more lucky
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 21:22
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°^^very true braininavat - that's why pauses are important.You cannot force a nonstop motivation etc..that is not true imo.
But in this thread are great ideas,especialy with the to do list seems to be a great technique.
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Medea
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 21:58
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On 2010-04-16 21:21, Medea wrote:
I always have about 20 trackks in my "unfinished" folder. This is not a problem, you can finish them next year or later if you like them again after some time. I don't think that working on a track with a paper with "todo list" is a good idea. Only working with sound that inspires you curently does make sense.
Just take a rest of these tracks, go to new ones.
By the way, you can upload here what you currently have and suggest people to finish it. I have done so a couple of times, and many people replied, and i sent them sources. But noone had actually finished them =)) Maybe you will be more lucky
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Nabla jpr
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 22:05
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..same problem here....what I do lately is to swicth the monitor off...when you don't look at the screen the track gets suddenly better and it's easier to make the right changes..
apart from this I don't have any good advices.. |
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 02:31
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@TimeTraveller
You still need devotion... it requires dedicated work too.
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 02:32
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@brainavat
+1
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 04:55
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How to deal with almost finished tracks? send them to labels for release , a track is never finished |
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Obelizk
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 05:26
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Easy way - what to do -
if the tracks are 7+ minutes... just write the ending! It's the easiest part.
I've got TONS that are like 4 minutes or less, and I think those are a different story because they still need 'stuff' like new sections. You just need the last 16 bars or something.
KILL IT!
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 06:15
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On 2010-04-15 20:06, Colin OOOD wrote:
Listen to your track, and write a list of all the things you think need fixing. Then work through that list, one by one. Try to avoid listening to the whole track until you've got to the bottom of the list. When you've done everything, listen again and see if you need to make a new list. Repeat until finished, or needles in eyes. Motivation? Find it, or give up writing music for anything other than the joy of half-finishing tracks - it's in your hands.
The more you listen to the same section of a track over and over again, the more familiar you get with its sound, and the less interesting the ideas in it seem. REMEMBER that when you first put those ideas in the track, they really excited you and you got them sounding really good. Just because you've listened to them so much in production that you're bored of them, DOESN'T MEAN that other people hearing the track won't get just as excited as you did when you first heard them in the track.
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Thank you so much for sharing this technique, It makes all sence...
Also I'd like to add that I've only just started doing tracks with other people and its true what some of you said in this topic about colabs, my music never sounded so good and I never felt so motivated as now. |
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piXan
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 07:30
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one thing i like to do when i hit a creative wall is to switch DAWs
i usually do everything in Cubase, but when im stuck i render and load on Ableton and continue arranging there, well thats if u dont mind messing things up a bit...
kind of like a last resource thing actually www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/ |
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