daark
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Posted : Oct 3, 2010 00:19
one possibility is to finish track and than after export edit the whole wav file to make breaks lots of breaks, breaks of breaks and more breaks with breaks. could after export that and then make even more breaks.
i find it to be a nice method for breaks.
http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers Wierd shit happens :)
-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Oct 3, 2010 08:45
hey aciduss mate, theres no f#*kn recipe for that.... so, i dont like the way you talk about ppl making the effort giving you n answer/input.
sure it can always be some rude plug doin everything on its own or YOU gettin headache like now while thinkin about new ways....
if you already know, ... why u ask?
if one had written smth ike u mentioned rolloff snare with blah blah on it,.... youŽd just answered:"ooohhh no,damnin....cmon, thats fu#kin old, foOl me?"
sooo, anyways, i guess one has to think about answering here some more. so i like to excuse myself for the fault thinking about some .#*%4sS question like this....
a forum like this here with answers like this exists just for one f#*kn reason......
WE SEEM TO B PRETTY BORED....
cant get stuff like this, just threw in a stupid topic to slap some ppls ass for their stupid answers??? well, silly question silly answers id say....
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Posted : Oct 3, 2010 17:32
Haha... don't take it so hard dude. In the first place i thanked who really helped, you were one of them.
I really think answers could be better from a psychedelic trance production forum but that is my humble opinion...
Sorry if i hurt your feelings i won't ask about complex ideas and detailed technical process regarding artistic issues ever again
Boom !
PD. You should write swear words without censoring yourself... it fucking feels better
Zero-Blade
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Posted : Oct 3, 2010 17:46
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On 2010-10-02 16:10, aciduss wrote:
Wow, how deep sir.
Thanks very much for those helpful words.
I appreciate the effort of sharing a little bluename wisdom around here.
Your sarcasm is not needed. In case you're making music, you alone should realize that such questions are not what you strive for.
You want a hint? Take all the methods and plugins you use and try to make a very long break. Even plugins you never ever used on kb, for instance. Chain one fx to another fx, overlay this fx to that fx, etc. This way you'll hear which methods and fx sound good with other such, and will most definitely find a new way of breaking. Clear enough?
I didn't think I needed to explain that much for a simple break, because if you can see and hear the break before you've actually built it, if you can feel how it will feel in the track, than you have already built it and just need to materialize it in sound.
All you need is training - using the tools you like, learning how each of them sounds and testing how things work/sound together.
A.Rosengren
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Posted : Oct 3, 2010 18:50
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On 2010-09-27 19:28:59, aciduss wrote:
You know those couple of bars at the end of a given section (sometimes just a bar or less)... i'm always feeling kind of lost when attempting to fill that space with something killarg...
Most of the time my breaks lower the track's energy rather than giving that extra punch :/
any halp?
I feel sometimes that the break is the place in the track where you have free hands with the tools you have already put down in the loop you've been working on for several sessions. I'm sure you've had the thought a few times while tweaking the loop "hmm this might be a cool thing to do in the break".
Put that thought on a piece of paper and leave it. When you start building your track bring out that piece of paper and look at what you have written down.
I tend to bring as little new elements in as possible in the break as it might flow out of context easily. Try giving a hint of what's coming in the next section with a filtered melody and some uplifters and percussions.
I hope I helped.
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Posted : Oct 3, 2010 22:06
Yeah yeah, sorry for sarcasm i just wanted to push it a little, i know you guys can throw some much better advice... and i kinda like what i got
Thanks again for the true hints, tips, tricks and magico techniques.
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Posted : Oct 4, 2010 16:50
The word the OP is looking for is not break but FILL
He is asking how to make original FILLs
aciduss
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Posted : Oct 4, 2010 17:31
Some times you use breakbeats on those fills... or you "break" your previous beat... that's why i called breaks... cause sometimes fills are just drums and in psy more is used to actually fill that bar.
This helped me a little:
I'm studying more on breaks, hoping to get mine polished
Thanks again my sensitive pals.
A.Rosengren
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Posted : Oct 4, 2010 22:41
lol you want breakbeat and not the part of the track called a break
aciduss
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Posted : Oct 4, 2010 23:04
No, i want the part of a track called a break, that sometimes include breakbeats, fills and other interesting elements. Lulz.
A.Rosengren
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Posted : Oct 5, 2010 12:13
How delightfully confusing everything went there for a while
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Posted : Oct 5, 2010 19:42
I like to filter the kick and bass just to play with the sounds at breaks. Any HP, LP, BP should be ok. It's just to give u the beat feel.
Now play with the sounds, and like Anders said, try to introduce the melody or riff that will play before the break. Sometimes just this flow is what u need to get the track at higher level as u want. Sometimes u can make some breakbeat just to caught the atention, then a fake drop and BOOM!
I try to make the break with similar dynamics(not about compression) as the after-break. Sometimes a complex dynamics for break, and simple dynamics for after break. I don't use so much simple dynamics breaks that turns to very complex after.
For me it's hard to get the perfect extension of the break. 16 kicks, 32 kicks... sometimes 20 kicks... 22...
My 2 cents!
ps: ppl like to get answer from blue names... But I guess the best reply is from Anders: u get a reply from a blue AND moderator!! lol
LOADING...
aciduss
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Posted : Oct 5, 2010 19:46
Thanks again to all the blue ones, you remind me of the blue man in Watchmen... xD
At the end we do have a very nice topic on fills / breaks
Here's a nice guide i found... he uses downtempo tracks but same principles can be applied to psytrance i guess.
FaceHead
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Posted : Nov 2, 2010 08:50
i wish i could just break this down for yall into a systematic or philosophical but well i cant.
tension release inhale exhale shock freeze contrast explode stutter flip then make it suck back up to where the song happens again and bam...just kidding.. pause then put half of a recording of you saying something like icicle then BAM! just like that.
for me my favorite breaks are either totally unexpected or sound like someone wandering off into the night with a concussion trying to search for where they are or where they are going then they all of a sudden remember it all. i do not like breaks that say crash cymbal with reverb synth blip spiritual sample then says ok here we go are you ready for this its coming..you have no idea how amazing the next part is but im gonna show you because im the supervisor still building brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr drummroll reverse kick crash cymbal. it reminds me of someone who is overly appreciative of their own music. i do not want to be told how to feel during a break ambiguity is good spontanaeity is good confusion is good but not teasing not bragging not exaggerating. you dont want your song to be an annoying little kid that says "look what i can do hey pay attentionto me hey its soooo freaking awesome WATCH" then just trance stomps at you and says "damn wasnt that awesome i knew youd thinkj it was awesome because i am awesomer.
to me bad breaks are like bad sex. and the worst ones are the ones where you can tell the producer thinks that they are pleasuring you but they kinda arent and they are insecure about it so they do it more and do it faster and harder til you are just like "gawd get off of me song. you care more about how you feel while pleasuring me than how i feel while being pleasured." and the best ones are like good sex. if you want me to go into details about what i think good sex is i will but i assume that isnt really gonna help anyone...
idunno listen to your favorite breaks and the breaks you dont like then do something that isnt like either of them. and keep doing it til people are like how the efck did you learn to do that. even if you stick to your genre the breaks are total freedom. you dont have a kick and bass to clog your low frequencies and you have no beat to ruin with short term randomnimnity. its also a window to say anything you want to the listener. and if its just a little blip of a short break imagine your song as a peice of rpo that you have hold of both ends and you tie in in what appears to be a seriously complex knot but when you pull both ends of the rope it rapidly unties itself. grab your song and do a trick with it. hope this helps somehow
OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Nov 2, 2010 14:07
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On 2010-11-02 08:50, FaceHead wrote:
grab your song and do a trick with it.
