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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:02
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if I get 20 pms of people who seriously want to read the study about the children and the puppets I will go and look for it, and if, what I believe I wont find it in my files cause I have no idea in which lecture it was and if it even was in the script I will contact one of my former profs to get hands on that study again.
As for the drug-music correlation. Really. we don't need studies for that. But I accept if you say I'm wrong.
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:07
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Its just about ethics.
The internet has the opportunity to empower people with knowledge. But each user has to sift though so much data. You have heard of Chinese whispers? Listing the source of your claims will help, those that are interested, get to the facts quicker. It is my believe that is more mature and responsible and in the spirit of love and sharing to provide the source of information even on just a forum.
Are you really that Lazy? are these sources really that obscure that you can't even provide a link or a name? anything? Look at how much time you have spent replying to me!!!!! is that laziness? or is it your subconscious mind working overtime to defend your self image?
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:12
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On 2009-04-09 00:02, subconsciousmind wrote:
if I get 20 pms of people who seriously want to read the study about the children and the puppets I will go and look for it, and if, what I believe I wont find it in my files cause I have no idea in which lecture it was and if it even was in the script I will contact one of my former profs to get hands on that study again.
As for the drug-music correlation. Really. we don't need studies for that. But I accept if you say I'm wrong.
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Conditional Love?
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:14
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On 2009-04-09 00:01, Colin OOOD wrote:
Please, just post the reference and both of you STFU.
BTW - "think for yourself and question authority" - was that Timothy O'Leary who said that? Or maybe his American cousin Timothy Leary? 
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:18
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Look, its not only lazyness, its also because I do refuse to have to legitimate to you and I don't believe (yes now I mistrust you) that you genuinly are interested in the source. You are simply trying to discredit and provoke me.
Anyways. I try to believe that you genuinly want the infos out of interest, so I just wrote an email to an old prof. that much effort I'm willing to do, but you alone are not worth my cellar since I'm not even sure if I find it there. It may take some time till I get a response.
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:25
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Well I appreciate the effort
I don't see it as having to legitimate yourself to me. More to yourself really. A collective effort to keep the internet more helpful. Hearsay just doesn't cut it for me. You might be OK with that, I am not |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:30
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legitimate to myself? holy shit, why sould I have to do that?
here some study on correlation between drugs and music:
http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2008/03/casual_fridays_music_fans_favo.php
the results are somehow mixed, but anyways there ARE correlations... just not the ones that have been expected.
have you ever heard a cocaine user say.. hell, when I'm fully stoned hallucinogens lone deranger is the best album in the world? do you really disagree on that?
there is at least one more study out there where its about 60ties music fans and drug use, but I really do not even know where I have seen it.
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:35
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On 2009-04-09 00:30, subconsciousmind wrote:
have you ever heard a cocaine user say.. hell, when I'm fully stoned hallucinogens lone deranger is the best album in the world? |
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I haven't no
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Aluxe
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:36
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This is so much BS people. Pure intelectual argumentative circles with no end. Honestly who cares about the fucking study, sounds pretty boring and I personally much rather have the gist of it from subcounscious, D2 or whomever wants to share some ideas. They don't have to be right and its ok, you know we are just sharing and talking. Like don't get so stuck up on defending your point like you are Jehovas witness, like what are we trying to prove here? This should not be a debate, but rather a nice talk, and sharing of ideas. Go debate at school with all those boring as hell rules and attitudes which I could persornally could care less about. You are in a psy forum, try something else, like try and imagine you are liquid and melt into the cosmos, or try talking from your heart, or expressing yourself in a more friendly and soulful way.
Rather bring in the good vibes and don't get stuck in the letters and words and try and feel what the other is trying to say. You know, like turn on your 6th sense, because maybe you are missing the point.
Better one word that brings good vibes than a whole fucking essay of argumentative bs to prove some point nobody cares about. Yeah you damn right that this becomes not about the subject but instead a stupid intellect fight.
With that attitude I can guarantee you will be arguing with every other person. And for what? Maybe you are trying to hard to prove some stand about where you stand, but nobody is trying to deny your freedom. We all want to be free so lets be sisters and bros and tune in to a less defensive vibration. Like why be so critical about everything, there is always a better way to approch things without so much fussing and fighting.
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:40
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On 2009-04-09 00:30, subconsciousmind wrote:
legitimate to myself? holy shit, why should I have to do that?
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Well maybe if those murders and rapist did try it then they may have not gone ahead and committed those crimes.
An example: A while ago I got involved in a thread relating to mixing levels etc. I had come across some evidence which suggested that normalization was not a good idea. I posted the link to the paper. There is so much bullshit floating around on that particular subject. Give people the evidence and let them decide for themselves. That is what I believe. |
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 00:42
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On 2009-04-09 00:36, Aluxe wrote:
This is so much BS people. Pure intelectual argumentative circles with no end. Honestly who cares about the fucking study, sounds pretty boring and I personally much rather have the gist of it from subcounscious, D2 or whomever wants to share some ideas. They don't have to be right and its ok, you know we are just sharing and talking. Like don't get so stuck up on defending your point like you are Jehovas witness, like what are we trying to prove here? This should not be a debate, but rather a nice talk, and sharing of ideas. Go debate at school with all those boring as hell rules and attitudes which I could persornally could care less about. You are in a psy forum, try something else, like try and imagine you are liquid and melt into the cosmos, or try talking from your heart, or expressing yourself in a more friendly and soulful way.
Rather bring in the good vibes and don't get stuck in the letters and words and try and feel what the other is trying to say. You know, like turn on your 6th sense, because maybe you are missing the point.
Better one word that brings good vibes than a whole fucking essay of argumentative bs to prove some point nobody cares about. Yeah you damn right that this becomes not about the subject but instead a stupid intellect fight.
With that attitude I can guarantee you will be arguing with every other person. And for what? Maybe you are trying to hard to prove some stand about where you stand, but nobody is trying to deny your freedom. We all want to be free so lets be sisters and bros and tune in to a less defensive vibration. Like why be so critical about everything, there is always a better way to approch things without so much fussing and fighting.
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I am not fighting. This is an ambiguous means of communication. Please don't jump in there and play judge and jury
That would be, well quite fascist really and quite the opposite to a nice loving vibe. But that's just my view. and I will continue to share it here on this public forum. |
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 01:05
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that was a lame study |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 06:37
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I've only studied a bit of cognitive science and psychology in university so far but I'm highly sceptical of using individual studies to formulate arguments about human nature... too many times have we found that the experimental design biases the results--and that the conclusions reached aren't nearly as robust as the researchers think they are. It's kind of bizarre to try and prove that children are born bad by using puppets; perhaps they children identified more with the rambunctious, exciting, or otherwise stimulating scenario; it doesn't necessarily mean they wish pain on others. Of course, can't really say more without having a look at the original study...
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 09:05
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Today I realized that discussing with d2 felt exactly the same as dancing close to somebody who used cocaine.
Totally unsensitve, self fixated, in his own ego world the person just dances without even realizing that there are other human universes around him. Respectless and most of the time busy looking for the mistakes of the others, not being able to take any advise from anybody. Now and then a fist or ellbow hits you but of course this then your own fault because this is the (his) real world.
D2s behaviour in this discussion is exactly the kind of behaviour of people that keeps me away from parties and not only me. Thanks for the demonstration I'm sure a lot of people know what I mean.
I have received zero PMs about people wanting that study by the way.
Studies etc. are just studies and mostly have counterstudies proving the opposite. I find it interesting summarizing some results in a friendly discussion not to prove my point but just the mention they exist and to get the thoughts flowing. If somebody wants to mention another study he heard of it is much more interesting for the discussion than referencing just for the sake of not believing each other. If people trust each other mostly the detailinformation that referencing reveals are not necessairy for a clean discussion, especially not this one. Maybe if you really start to discuss a study, like basilisc did, and really want to go into who is right or wrong the detail information may become crucial for the discussion, but here it definitly wasn't since I never even said I am "right" but always said that this is all a question of believe and therefore not discussable, but only exchangeable.
D2 obviously never really was interested in the study, otherwise he would just have asked politely for a way to find it, what d2 did instead was to paternize me on how I have to behave in a discussion, he questioned if I was teacher if I went to Uni etc. etc. this makes obvious that this was not about seing the results, but only about his personal ego-onanation to make himself bigger and me smaller. His target clearly was to discredit me by trying to prove me a liar. his phony excuse about free information later is just being used to legitimate himself. I even fell for it and wrote my prof.
@Basilisc I totally agree with you. But the study claimed to show evidence of GOOD in children, they picked the HELPING puppet. But as you say, such a study design can be very much flawed etc. I'll let you know when I have it.
Unfortunately this discussion never got to some interesting point, because all the time it was just d2s personal vendeta against me, because obviously I must have said a couple of things that may have applied to him negatively. And as usual such people don't blame themselves but the people showing it to them.
D2, you really wrapped me into something here and I blame myself that I invested any bit of energy in it. It felt very bad and I actually felt abused by you most of the time. You behaved very hostile, your seemed to me like a totally disconnected person way away from any compassion (I even had to explain compassion to you) or love. Your tone, your way to talk to me from your very first word everything, it was just terrible for me and I'm still in a bad mood because of it. Only talking to you actually hurts me.
I can think of a number of reasons why I person can behave in a harmless discussion as unsensitive as you did, why a person attacks me the way you did, just because my little essay I did. Your personal problem with me and what I said is just the obvious reason. Blaming now me again, telling me again what person I am and what flaws I have will not actually help to distract from you this time.
And I'm sure anyone who would feels like I do, anyone open and still in touch with his sensitivity will know very well how you will respond to this message.
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 09:15
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Well I don't use cocaine I too have stopped going to parties here in London. But not because of the cocaine.
Just can't stand the fake plastic hippy bullshit. Spirituality?
I send 4 PM's do mine not count?
You make all those judgments about some because of the drug they use? Why do you think you are above all these people?
We have to learn to all dance together. No prejudice towards color, race, age, sex, or that persons choice of drug. Your generalizations disgust me. You are a dinosaur.
Let me make this clear. I was not being hostile. YOu made some dodgy claims. I have the right to say hang on a minute your trying to pass speculation off as fact etc etc. Don't try and make out your a victim just because someone pulled you up on something.
Grow up and be a man for gods sake.
You know what I do when someone bumps into me? use it as an ice-breaker to start a conversation. It works every time. try it you might realise that person was just caught up in the moment or is clumsy or has a dodgy ankle or any number of things. At least try and speak to them first before you make a judgement. |
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