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How not to overdo ???
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daark
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Posted : Nov 20, 2013 14:41:17
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Lately i feel like all my work is getting overdone.
When i start it sounds like a really nice idea but needs more by the time i upload it... It becomes Dead and overloaded and nothing like it was in the beginning. The magic is lost withing few touches and forever.
I get really frustrated as i try and try ... and i feel the progress but i feel like i could show more out of myself and i start to be dusty...
Do you guys have any tips for me for keeping the magic in the track ?
  http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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knocz
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Posted : Nov 20, 2013 15:21
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hmm if you think it's overdone, than try to do less  Less can be more!
Also, if you're happy with something, commit to it! Bounce it as audio, and keep it there - only to touch it again in the mixing phase to blend it into the mix.
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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Nov 20, 2013 15:42
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yay sounds like me.
recognized that due too much acid and DMT i made sounds maybe a little bit too overloaded, someone came to me and asked, is it possible that youve played two tracks ecaxtly over each other? ;D
i think its all about experience, youve build up. over the years....
and often long year DJs know exactly how a track should sound, BUT also i dont tink its big resonable to compare on novadays productions. get your own style! 
but a bit more than most productions is well for me. stay psychedelic.
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Melange5738
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Posted : Nov 20, 2013 16:27
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Something I have learned from working with both music and graphical design is that some stuff gets way better by incubation. You take it out from your mind and do not listen to it/ look at it for about a week or more. Then you come back with a fresh attitude.
You might have forgotten about the tiny nitty gritty stuff you were cought up in but you remember the bigger stuff that you were aiming for. That way it is also way easier to subtract stuff to make it better, just when you are caught up in it tacky stuff might sound way better when they are in a massive carpet of sounds.
Also consider for instance the art form of sculpturing. Sculpturing is both subtractive (the sculpture is subtracted from the stone) and additive in the sense that the sculpture is positive from the perspective of the sculpturer. Music can also be created in both subtractive and additive ways and taking sounds away from the score can be much more interesting than adding another. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Nov 20, 2013 16:36
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try to separate production from creative flow. do it before, work on it afterwards. easier to say then do, but usually helps to keep the vibes up and the flow better. you can always go back once you finish the track and polish the fuck out of everything, make things sound like you want them. but if you interrupt the creative part and dive right into detail, it's a never ending story and most chances are you'll suck the juice out of everything. detail is cool, and can certainly entertain the mind of the listener, but it's not everything. and you can build upon the sounds you've used for the track later on for complex build ups, with automated filter sounds and reversed reverbs and what not.
just build the story first is my advise, to sum it up |
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supergroover
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Posted : Nov 20, 2013 18:37
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Don't lose yourself in little edits and effects. Go paint the big picture first. The arrangement first. Later you can add little effects, riser, golden rays, reversed kickdrums, snarerolls etc.
The same goes for production techniques. Eq-ing can be done later, your lead does not need that limiter right now. Later!
The main reason why i keep filling tracks up is because i have heard it too many times and it becomes boring, so I think it needs another layer. So another tip is: don't play it to yourself too often. Listen to it once and write down what you want to change. Try to change it without listening (too many times) unless you have to. soundcloud.com/supergroover |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Nov 20, 2013 22:51
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Soma_Happiens
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Posted : Nov 21, 2013 00:41
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+ frisbee & melange - it's one of the most important concepts to learn - still teaching my brain
+ babaluma - practice always is an answer.
and after all, the easiest way to not overdo is trying to not overdo. you do understand your glitch in composition matrix so when you feel you like the stuff you've done, - do something else. anything. Anything you feel like doing in the moment.
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e10
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Posted : Nov 21, 2013 09:11
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in my experience if I have a mindset of "making a track" it usually doesnt go well, but if I have a mindset of "lets have some fun and fuck around with the daw/ synth / samples "then stuff really happens , I found that when i'm in the flow i just create instantly instead of thinking what to do next for example and that leads to nowhere mostly |
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Nov 21, 2013 12:45
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avoid listening to what you can set without giving a listen! i try to listen less possible while im on writing and editing things.
i dont wanna screw around, but writing a track on one day seems a pretty hard lesson. i wasnt even once able to finish a track in one day during almost ten years of beeing familiar with music production. its good to focus, important where to focus and better to not rush and stay in focus.... imho 
listen to your track as audience, imagine you´re on the floor. maybe stand up in your room, get your party panties on and dance to it. if you cant, others probably cant either. repeat that after 4 weeks not even once listening to your work. if you still cant dance to it, check out why and go for it.
maybe give an example which would make things much more easy. show off what you mean and we can listen ourselves if you´re just overdone listening your stuff or you really overdid the song itself.
my2c, hope it kinda helps, cheers
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Nov 21, 2013 14:36
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On 2013-11-21 09:11, e10 wrote:
in my experience if I have a mindset of "making a track" it usually doesnt go well, but if I have a mindset of "lets have some fun and fuck around with the daw/ synth / samples "then stuff really happens , I found that when i'm in the flow i just create instantly instead of thinking what to do next for example and that leads to nowhere mostly
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quite an interesting post, this one.
the difference is in the expectations you've build for yourself. if you think of it as a task, something on a "to do" list, or if you set the bar to high, you're probably working against yourself.
while when you're at ease with yourself, in a playful mindset, not so much pressure anymore, right?
just spending some time with a synth, playing with it, not even recording or programming patches for this or that, just feeling connected to the sound can be hugely inspirational and liberating. some sounds have the potential to instantly inspire us to build some ideas from them!
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Upollo
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Posted : Nov 21, 2013 20:43
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Leave out elements one by one (tracks, scenes, effects, clips, ...) and check which ones are the essentials.
And leave the track be for a while, than check it again with a fresh(er) ear.
Works for me. |
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daark
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Posted : Nov 22, 2013 15:57
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Hey
Really really nice stuff written here
You know, even if its been said before (and really i used almost everything here) still it is really nice to hear it from a different person and "re-understanding the process" it is really cool so thank you all for that. So i'm not gonna comment on every practice because it all can work for different situations and people and it's all great.
I'm gonna try out that substractive additive aproach on all those aproaches here.
So i took my time thinking and thought and realized that its really "a million dollar question". So i'll give you an example of what i mean so we get each other. You know I have that rare nirvana recording of sappy that i'm still looking for today or some old demo recording of a band that i like that rereleased or remastered and now the song just lost the magic or the other way around. I'm talking legends here like morrison and marley or whoever you can think of whatever artist you can think. You get me?
So is it even possible to keep the magic always there ? Is it even possible to have a straight answer to that ?
Don't wanna promotion or anything i just really wanna learn its not gonna hit the charts i'm sure just wanna learn and feed my brain because its interesting to me
here is my track i was talking about the first two versions ones
kinda ok you finished painting the monalisa why not wipe your ass with it for final touches :
http://forum.isratrance.com/new-track-121bpm-heavvyyy-stuff/
Can you see what i'm talking about ?
Please keep it going its really helping
Have a great productive weekend all
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Padmapani
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Posted : Nov 23, 2013 01:48
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if that track is representative, then i don't think you're overdoing it. instead, to me it sounds like there's no clear direction the track is going. there are bits that want to go left and some want to go right at the same time, so as a result nothing is moving ; if you know what i mean (it wouldn't surpise me if you didn't). i'd suggest chosing one direction and go that way, but that's easier said as done, i'm probably equally guilty of that |
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daark
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Posted : Nov 23, 2013 01:55
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yeah i kind of thought about something like that. maybe it needs a clear message or idea so it won't get lost nowhere . is that what you mean?
(but nowhere was kind of the idea i tried to give i mean Aether is abstractly nothing nowhere for me lol ) http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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