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how my bassline sound? need advice.
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0hz
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Posted : Sep 16, 2006 18:24
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Hey,
im working on a track but im always changing the bassline it sound diffrent to me everyday.
so heres a little clip, let me know what u think.
http://download.yousendit.com/6EEE2B7771D90C9D
oh and pleace tell me with what speakers u where listening.
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Towards Omega
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Posted : Sep 17, 2006 15:54
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Sounds nice here. My speakers are only Logic3 Sound Station, their mainly used for like Playsation and what not.
How did you make that kick and bass? |
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0hz
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Posted : Sep 17, 2006 16:20
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kick was made with sound forge and then little eq.
bass was made with trilogy. |
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0hz
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Posted : Sep 17, 2006 18:07
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so many views and only one person answered.
is the bass so bad that no one want to even say something or is it so good that every one is jealous  |
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black_cat
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Posted : Sep 17, 2006 19:49
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hello
i think, your bassline sounds good, no problem with it ... more important is if it sounds as you want it to sound 
lookin` fwd to hear full track
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 17, 2006 21:00
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Sounds good imho.
Maybe nobody answered, because nobody knows how to make it better. Neither do I.
What did you do with trilogy, is that the 303 preset? What processing?
 Most of my music for you to download at:
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0hz
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Posted : Sep 17, 2006 21:17
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i didnt use a preset, i made it my self. i used 303 saw wave, env on the filter.
eq, voxengo LF punch, voxengo pha979 to adjust the phase so that the bass have max low freq coming out, in that case i had to shift it only 12%.
then i used multiband comp to balance the high with the bass freq,coz eq (even dynamic eq) didnt do the work.
and in the end very very little distortion so bass come out more when everything else is playing.
then route the kick and bass to a group and put mutiband comp on the group. |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Sep 17, 2006 22:21
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On 2006-09-17 21:00, subconsciousmind wrote:
Maybe nobody answered, because nobody knows how to make it better
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Its a night in here .. dont want to bomb it up but ill do that first thing on morning on an high volume and try to help y and tell you what i think . Cheers
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ess765
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Posted : Sep 18, 2006 00:13
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On 2006-09-17 21:17, 0hz wrote:
i didnt use a preset, i made it my self. i used 303 saw wave, env on the filter.
eq, voxengo LF punch, voxengo pha979 to adjust the phase so that the bass have max low freq coming out, in that case i had to shift it only 12%.
then ,coz eq (even dynamic eq) didnt do the work.
and in the end very very little distortion so bass come out more when everything else is playing.
then route the kick and bass to a group and put mutiband comp on the group.
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First of all, I ll answer your question:
your bass sound great, the bassline is simple but feets perfectly to the track. Your kick is very nice, and the most important: kick and bass are nicelly integrated.
I d like to understand when you say you use voxengos pha979 to adjust phase. I ve read some stuff about it but there was never an explanation. What s phase? How can you know if it is or it is not on the right phase? What heappens if its wrong regarding phase?
"used 303 saw wave, env on the filter"..what does it mean? What exactly did you use and how was your workflow??
"I used multiband comp to balance the high with the bass freq".... what does it means to balance highs and lows and how can you know they re not balanced?? What kind of signs do we have to look for to use this kind of compressor??
"and in the end very very little distortion so bass come out more when everything else is playing." ....why adding distortion to the kick would make the bass more noticible?
Please use examples as much you can regarding each plug ins setting for me to understand in a better way your nice job on this track.
For instance, when you explain about multiband compressor tell us which setting did you use and why did you need it that way, otherwise what would heappen wrongly if you used the diferent settings....
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0hz
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Posted : Sep 18, 2006 02:04
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wow dude your asking me to explain 2 years of sound school in 1 message. i'll do my best.
if you dont know what is phase and its releations with sound then you lack the basic knowledge of sound i suggest you find some reading material about sound and what it is.
here is something i found in google about how sound waves interact with each other.
http://www.mediacollege.com/audio/01/wave-interaction.html
http://www.mediacollege.com/misc/wave-theory/example-waves-01.html
you should find more stuff to read about sound waves.
about the saw wave with env of filter...
every synth, has a envelope that controls the filter over time. so i simply used 1 osc, with 303 saw wave in trilogy, and sent the envelope to control the filter so that the filter is open at the begining of the sound and then start to close and cut of frequencies. with the decay of the envelope you control how much time this will take, in my case it was about 15ms.
about the multiband comp...
"how can you know they not balanced?" you use your ears. if the bass note sounds that it has alot of high and not enought lows the you use eq to boost the lows and cut the highs right?....in my case after i used eq the high freq of the bass note still didnt sound right to me, and if i use some more eq the bass note sounded dull to me. so i used a multiband comp to lower the highs only at a certain point of the bass note wich was a few ms after the attack..(when it passed a certain treshold that i set).
distorsion....i didnt use it on the kick , only on the bass, why use distortion?
a little...and i mean very little distortion creates harmonic overtones of the the wich come out in the mix and help your ears to notice the the fundamental frequencies of that sound. in this case its the bass sound.
if u use more eq to boost the bass, it just becomes muddy. (in some cases)
i hope i helped you a little but i suggest you get some reading material on the fundamental principles of sound and sound engineering i saw some books online and they
didnt cost that much from 20-50$. or try to find in some p2p sharing networks.
i can tell you this, that those books wont help you in trance but at leaset you will understand whats going on under the gui of the synth or hardware synth. that will open your mind to more creative thinking in creating sounds.
hehe i wanted some advice and in the end im giving advice
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ess765
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Posted : Sep 18, 2006 09:26
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0hz,
You didn t ask for advice, you just wanted opinions on how your bassline sounded..he he. As I told you it sounds really pro.
I think this topic can get really nice if we develop a little the theory behind your good work.
I confess I did a lot of question at once, but all points are very interesting to me. You seem to have a nice theorical knowledge supporting your music.
I was wondering if you could post 2 mp3 files on sendspace.com . The first one you be only kick and bass 100 % unprocessed(even the channel group plugins). And the second one would be the same kick and bass now processed with all plugins you said you used. I d like to listen to the difference you achieved with, eq, mutliband compressor, phaser controler, compressor, etc...
Is it too complicated for you to post those 2 examples?
I don t mean I wanna listen to the original bass amd kick unprocessed at all. I mean I d like to listen to the kick (after you created it on soundforge) and the bass (after you created your patch and added distortion). I d like to really check it out the phase, lf punch, group channel plugins working and not workin to compare the sounds. |
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makus
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Posted : Sep 18, 2006 12:19
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0hz
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Posted : Sep 18, 2006 20:52
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ess765,
Its a little to much work for me now. i learned by doing and experementing. and im still not where i want to be. what helped me is 2 years of sound school where i studied basic priniciples of sound.
2 days ago is the first time i posted a message in any forum about music production.
you experiment and if you need advice, upload your mp3 files somewhere and pm me i'll give you advice and point you in the right way. |
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ess765
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Posted : Sep 18, 2006 21:38
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Ok 0hz...I understand your points. Actually I don t use such complicated stuff and plugins to make my bass and kick work together. I have a kick collection (some made by myself)and I use trilogy, muon tau pro, zta3 and albino to make it sound nice. Usually I make the bass sound nice by adjusting the synths parameters setting such as envelopes...the only plug in I use almost all the time is wave maxxbass (don t know how to describe in words, but it gives a deeper low end) and quadrafuzz (very little)Then I just eq the bass and kick.
I always like to try what people use cause sometimes I have the feeling that people complicate too much by using lots of plugins to achieve some results that can be achieved without them.
If you like to talk about production and share ideas, I would pm you my msn.
Keep the good work.
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illusions
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Posted : Sep 18, 2006 22:03
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sounds good to me. i prefer the slightly groovier basslines, with a bit more top end to stick through the track. but for its style, i see nothing wrong with this |
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