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How Much is Overfilling a Track
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wizanda
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 16:02:03
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Got this tendency to keep filling empty space; yet know that music is the spaces. 
So how many instruments at the same time, do you think of as full and how many is to much? 
Any of your formula's would be useful, like on what makes a track sound full enough, in your ears? 
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makus
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 17:50
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it is nice to have something going on but remember that the proper pause means much more than any sound
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 18:27
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This is a good topic, and imo its completely on a case-by-case basis. Personally, with 145+ bpm I usually tend to like things that are busier, in my production I try to make the general idea of the tack and get it all laid out in the arranger, then i make multiple passes over the whole thing, adding in sounds, glitch bits, etc; adding activity to the track. I generally keep doing this until i feel that the space is more or less constantly full of stuff that is changing, even if on a very small level.
Then leave the track for a few days and then listen to it while not sitting at a computer. your ears will then tell you if you have made it complete. being in a, ummm... state of extra focus (however you choose to do that) at that listening stage is helpful for me i find 
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orange
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 22:21
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greyball
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 22:34
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More Is More, Less Is Less. The Idea That Less Is More Is Illogical |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 23:22
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You should feel how much you should fill ..
Its also (In some cases/Ways) about the style .
Can agree with Orange about the 'Less is more' And sure the space create the space
But this is all about what you want to get .
For cinematic feeling i usualy use many detail's (Sounds) So shure each one of them is a vst .
I like all directions , Can be minimal , Can be full power Dark track with an 195 different
(Vst's) channels , (We done this too) But this all is not matter cause there no scale who telling
you where stop And/So this is all about taste + Your ability to express yourself .
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orange
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 23:29
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On 2012-02-07 22:34, greyball wrote:
More Is More, Less Is Less. The Idea That Less Is More Is Illogical
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you can get more impact with less sounds.
its better to occupy space with 1 sound that it more fulfilling and driving than make the same with 25 sounds and result to a mayhem
i find it alot more challenging to achieve that using less sounds just cos this sounds have to be great!
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greyball
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Posted : Feb 7, 2012 23:37
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On 2012-02-07 22:34, greyball wrote:
More Is More, Less Is Less. The Idea That Less Is More Is Illogical
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you can get more impact with less sounds.
its better to occupy space with 1 sound that it more fulfilling and driving than make the same with 25 sounds and result to a mayhem
i find it alot more challenging to achieve that using less sounds just cos this sounds have to be great!
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thats just straight up bullshit. you can achieve even greater impact with more sounds. the thing is you need alot more practice and experience, and frankly, many lack the skills needed for such a task |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Feb 8, 2012 00:37
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On 2012-02-07 23:29, orange wrote:
you can get more impact with less sounds.
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+1 and we must remember that our brain works so that mainly focus on only a few sounds at a time. Mostly like playing two instruments, two different melodic lines, and so we are will hear in a moment only one of them. Even more at a party. I'm not talking about people with trained ears
Dear Greyball: Your logical reasoning is pretty bad if you cant understand that "less is more". Strange thing
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greyball
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Posted : Feb 8, 2012 00:42
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On 2012-02-07 23:29, orange wrote:
you can get more impact with less sounds.
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+1 and we must remember that our brain works so that mainly focus on only a few sounds at a time. Mostly like playing two instruments, two different melodic lines, and so we are will hear in a moment only one of them. Even more at a party. I'm not talking about people with trained ears
Dear Greyball: Your logical reasoning is pretty bad if you cant understand that "less is more". Strange thing
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why would you say less is more when it clearly states the obvious illogical reasoning. less cannot be more, you silly rabbit. |
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Feb 8, 2012 00:42
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+1 and we must remember that our brain works so that mainly focus on only a few sounds at a time. Mostly like playing two instruments, two different melodic lines, and so we are will hear in a moment only one of them. Even more at a party. I'm not talking about people with trained ears
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yeah but we are talking about psychedelic music here and I would say that a there is a definite trend in psy to have the amount of noises playing at once to be slightly overwhelming at times. i'm not talking about every second of the track, but i think theres definitely a time and place for a 'controlled mayhem' of sounds in our genre of music.
edit: ignore greyball, the dude is trolling
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orange
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Posted : Feb 8, 2012 00:54
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On 2012-02-07 23:29, orange wrote:
you can get more impact with less sounds.
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+1 and we must remember that our brain works so that mainly focus on only a few sounds at a time. Mostly like playing two instruments, two different melodic lines, and so we are will hear in a moment only one of them. Even more at a party. I'm not talking about people with trained ears
Dear Greyball: Your logical reasoning is pretty bad if you cant understand that "less is more". Strange thing
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why would you say less is more when it clearly states the obvious illogical reasoning. less cannot be more, you silly rabbit.
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dont worry grey ball.. im sure you will find a boyfriend one day.
on the subject.
yes there are times when many sounds can be played together and sound awesome.
but this usually works for parts of the track that no fundamental melody or theme is played.
best hooks on tracks most of the times are just melody, pad and kick and bass for more impact.
and thats why usually non melodic music have alot more sounds and more bpm.
keeping a consistent melody/hook needs less backround sounds and many times less bpm.
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 8, 2012 03:47
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the less playing at same time the phatest the sound can be...thats often what we associate with great production too.
it s way harder than feeding the spectrum with tons of sounds |
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orange
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Posted : Feb 8, 2012 03:55
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fruitopia
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Posted : Feb 8, 2012 11:13
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On 2012-02-08 00:37, Alien Bug wrote:
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On 2012-02-07 23:29, orange wrote:
you can get more impact with less sounds.
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+1 and we must remember that our brain works so that mainly focus on only a few sounds at a time. Mostly like playing two instruments, two different melodic lines, and so we are will hear in a moment only one of them. Even more at a party. I'm not talking about people with trained ears
Dear Greyball: Your logical reasoning is pretty bad if you cant understand that "less is more". Strange thing
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its called layering. beginning with one or two sounds as basic image and then create sounds derivative of the basic ones. this way you can produce more sounds with the same 'core' so maybe not big difference is noticed.. as far as i can tell psychedelic trance is like this, other kinds of dance music maybe need less work to be done.. |
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