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supergroover
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Posted : Jul 30, 2009 00:56
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it is the job of the organiser to get the people there. If he/ she fails the live act & djs don't have to cut their price if they don't want to. They don't make any more if it is totally packed right? So don't let that be a factor in your price decision. And i am even speaker as an organiser.
The usual fee is between 100- 750 for a live act. And above 1000 if you are BIG. A fee of 100-200 euro's would be fair if you are just starting. 250+ if you are a little more established. |
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Suloo
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Posted : Jul 30, 2009 02:01
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yea..but honestly..we all want to have a good party together..and if the party misses people and the acts are local /no travel expensives the i think its just a pleasure to deal again on the price...
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Servellen
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Posted : Jul 31, 2009 09:24
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Yes, the organizer should pay for your travel expenses, give you a place to stay and complimentary food and drugs on top of the agreed upon fee.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 31, 2009 16:54
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On 2009-07-31 09:24, Servellen wrote:
Yes, the organizer should pay for your travel expenses, give you a place to stay and complimentary food and drugs on top of the agreed upon fee.
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I don't think that's always necessary (especially the last part) but it's highly dependent on the situation (i.e. how far you had to travel, size and location of event, and how much your fee is etc.). I guess as far as the "complimentary" part but in any case these things should be cleared up beforehand and not assumed upon that it's part of the deal or not.
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psysage
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Posted : Jul 31, 2009 17:14
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On 2009-07-31 09:24, Servellen wrote:
Yes, the organizer should pay for your travel expenses, give you a place to stay and complimentary food and drugs on top of the agreed upon fee.
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psychowave
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Posted : Jul 31, 2009 17:25
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here in brazil a lot of ppl are playing for free...
a lot of beginners organizers renting a site, a shit sound system..
well..I´m trying to say this..a lot of ppl trying to be a part of scene, and forgetting quality...art...
This is very dangerous...can crash the concept of trance parties... |
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psysage
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Posted : Aug 1, 2009 01:49
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On 2009-07-31 17:25, psychowave wrote:
here in brazil a lot of ppl are playing for free...
a lot of beginners organizers renting a site, a shit sound system..
well..I´m trying to say this..a lot of ppl trying to be a part of scene, and forgetting quality...art...
This is very dangerous...can crash the concept of trance parties...
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I'd have to disagree, good parties can happen anywhere, with or without material things like elaborate decorations or a top-notch sound system. It's already very expensive just to get a venue, electricity, and any soundsystem, promoters are already at risk of losing a ton of money before they even start booking artists. I have no problem with the big names who do it for a living charging a reasonable fee, but I don't understand the need for the locals to get paid beyond expenses. Most are drawing little or no attendance, they're just filling time slots, and if anything, should be grateful for the chance to get some exposure. It's not like they're taking any of the financial risk that the promoter is, even if a promoter makes a decent profit at one party, he could easily lose it and more just as quickly at the next. |
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psychowave
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Posted : Aug 1, 2009 04:16
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On 2009-07-31 17:25, psychowave wrote:
here in brazil a lot of ppl are playing for free...
a lot of beginners organizers renting a site, a shit sound system..
well..I´m trying to say this..a lot of ppl trying to be a part of scene, and forgetting quality...art...
This is very dangerous...can crash the concept of trance parties...
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I'd have to disagree, good parties can happen anywhere, with or without material things like elaborate decorations or a top-notch sound system. It's already very expensive just to get a venue, electricity, and any soundsystem, promoters are already at risk of losing a ton of money before they even start booking artists. I have no problem with the big names who do it for a living charging a reasonable fee, but I don't understand the need for the locals to get paid beyond expenses. Most are drawing little or no attendance, they're just filling time slots, and if anything, should be grateful for the chance to get some exposure. It's not like they're taking any of the financial risk that the promoter is, even if a promoter makes a decent profit at one party, he could easily lose it and more just as quickly at the next.
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of course man...I agree with all your words...but in a amateur concept...or in a "hobby" concept...like myself...
I´m not a pro yet...and the bigger part of all my "gigs" until today I play for free..just because what you say...I have a lot more of benefits playing for free then not playing anywhere...most of personal benefits like experience, dancefloor feedback, the happiness of listen my music at a party with friends, the friendly ambient, the smile at faces listening and enjoying my music and the party...of course this is the most payment for a personal satisfaction...but when you wanna be a pro, and i´m saying spend your full-time at productions, saving money to buy pro gear, do a marketing job to promote your project...and all the other things..you need to be payed for this...more if your work is making money for someone like a big party, and today give money with tracks sales, is very hard...you need the bookings for get money...
last weekend I go play at a small party, with 200 ppl at maximum...for free...any money involved, I pay my fuel, my food and for luck I go with a drink bottle..and I was with a friend....when I arrive in the site, the organizer tell to my friend to pay for entrance...
Ok, you make a party, get money for the guests (15/20 reals like U$10 for ppl), go play for free, I put all my equipment on the road (keyboard, laptop,audiocard, cables, power supply), I spend money with fuel, and my friend with me need to pay for entrance???
Sorry man, but this is ridiculous...
maybe I´m wrong to use the "kill the trance concept" in my post...my english is bad and sometimes I don´t expressed perfectly...
but some ppl are forgetting the trance concept, and just making parties to get money and tell "I´m organizing a party, I´m cool"...this bring a series of bad actions...
Of course the trance concept will never die, but the organizers need to put this in practice...and I´m talking this here in Brazil, most closely at São Paulo...I don´t know how is this at other countries...
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psysage
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Posted : Aug 1, 2009 05:15
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EZ mate, I wasn't trying to get you all riled up 
I've spent a ton of money over the years to be able to produce and DJ, 4 different computers I built, laptops, CD decks, turntables, Cubase/Reaper/NI VSTs, a few soundcards and a few pairs of monitors etc... perhaps $10,000 US over the past 7 years. If I were famous, I'd expect to get paid to help offset that money I spend and take a reasonable cut of the attendance I'd draw, but now I'm relatively unknown, so I don't mind playing for 100% free, even no expenses. I wanted to DJ and produce, it's not as if I did it as a favor to promoters, nor do I expect them to offset the cost of my gear. I hope to be very famous someday, I believe I might get their soon, but even if I don't, I'm not going to consider the time and money I invested to be wasted, or regret not having spent it on something else.
As far as you speaking of promoters trying to cut costs to make money, things may be different where you are, but I don't believe any promoters where I am are making any money, if they do make money they just lose it at the next event, the recession is hitting us hard, and party attendace is at an all time low, people just can't afford it.
I think my main point is that you could have an event on a less than spectacular sound system, at a small, unspectacular venue, with all local DJs of modest talent, but as long as you have good people and a good vibe, it doesn't matter if the rest of the party is unimpressive. |
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Elad
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : Aug 2, 2009 02:21
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i think no one deserves more then 1000 euro for a set 
It's all messed up, the real pay should be for a cd release and less pay for the live act as the hard work is in the track making.
But yea, reality is the otherway and its ok like that i guess.
I just think its wierd sometimes, like few days ago, my buddy who is making partys here in sweden asked me for some tips who to bring to hes next party and he mentioned one act he already booked, so i asked how much did he charge? and he said 1500 euro.. i was like what? i've never even heard about this guy, so i did some researches and found he had couple of releases not many at all, how could he ask for this amount. I know people who has been doing music for many many years asking for less. Diffrent mentalitys.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 06:36
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On 2009-08-02 02:21, Wizack Twizack wrote:
i think no one deserves more then 1000 euro for a set
It's all messed up, the real pay should be for a cd release and less pay for the live act as the hard work is in the track making. |
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It is, the way most people play live, I agree 
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Of course it's ok like that, you only get paid once for selling a CD but you can get paid over and over again for performing the same tracks at different parties.
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digitalphase
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 07:13
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as we are free to ask for any amount, in the same way the promoter is free to say ''no, thanks''
so what?
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 15:19
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On 2009-08-05 07:13, digitalphase wrote:
as we are free to ask for any amount, in the same way the promoter is free to say ''no, thanks''
so what?
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If you ask for too high of an amount, the org might assume that's your normal rate and just get someone else...
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psysage
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 17:22
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Maybe it's time for some new ideas... How about every performer gets 100euro, and admission is 5euro, standardly everywhere. Then each performer will have a tip jar on the end of the stage, and the crowd will tip them as they see fit... |
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