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How much can i remove att the bottom of the kick
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Conny
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 09:19
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Hi finally i will do the last touch to my mix , i had some problems with the kick but it helped to remove som of the lower frequenses with a highpassfilter. The kick fits the mix much better now .Right know the highpassfilter cuts everything underneath 60 hz ,is that to much ? , i often hear people mention the magic word 40 hz.
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Kaz
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 11:51
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40Hz is good for the deep lows of the kick, you can both hear and feel this frequency on a PA system - generally, if you apply any form of attenuation to the lows of your kick, you should keep it down to a minimum - apply only as much as you need. Any more will make your track sound emptier.
Generally, the kick should always be the sound with the deepest bass. That way it sets the groove for the track.
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 14:24
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IF you want less low-frequency energy in your mix, try to 'roll off' and not cut the freqs below 35 Hz. This often sounds better.
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Input
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 15:11
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why cutting the kick?
find kick which fit the bass well enough so you only need to cut the lows from the bass-
anyway i almost never cut low frequencies from the kick- and i'm not cutting under 35hz from the bass-
if your kick and bass are fit- no problem should be-
one more thing- instead cutting try to apply compressor on the kick- it will reduce some of the low frequencies- just play with the attack and the ratio-
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 15:17
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Its good to cut some of the low frequencies.
At home (and depending on your monitors frequency range) you may not notice it, but when playing your track in a big PA you will notice a big 'woofer' sound if the low frequencys are too much.
I personally always cut the low-end and not just in the kick, but also bass and some synth sounds.
The specific frequency doesn't matter that much and isnt the same for every sound... Just adjust it to what fits you better.
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NikC
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 15:18
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cutting the kick is useful because:
You may not be able to hear on your monitors/speakers/headphones some of the more booming sub sounds which emanate from a certain sound, whether that be kick, bass or even vocals, whereas a proper PA system will power out all the frequencies it can. This is the reason for having short kicks with fast envelopes as well, because if they rely on pitch bending to produce the sound it the kick will go down to deep sub frequencies.
If you have a good kick already though, that is made well and has already been tampered with, it may not be necessary to do this.
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NikC
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 15:20
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haha.. Daniel and i posted the same thing at the same time 
great minds think alike! 
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 15:22
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ahahahah  Yes my friend, we are in Synch |
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 15:48
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Cutting/bringing down the low frequencies from the kick and bass is healthy for the mix and the dynamic processors.
Below 35Hz there are usually hardly noticeable frequencies, which still get inside your mix. Reducing dB's on the low side will make more room for a louder clearer mix, since the low freqs are usually louder and heavily compressed.
@Input:
if u're making music from only kick and bass then sure there is no problem, but usually you are trying to squeeze much more - it becomes a prob.
And why would the compressor reduce low freqs? It will only bring the lower softer freqs up...
Conny, kaz had a good advice 
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Lithium
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 18:27
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i think all the opinions gaven here are 100 % right, but we cannot make like a rule about it, cause every case is a single case, and it all depends on the kick you´re using and the baseline your´re using, if you´re makin psy or progressive etc etc.
you really have to trust your ears and your monitors, and then test it on a P.A to understand the difference between the sound you get on your home studio and how that same sound goes on a P.A
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On 2004-12-21 15:17, daniel duarte wrote:
Its good to cut some of the low frequencies.
At home (and depending on your monitors frequency range) you may not notice it, but when playing your track in a big PA you will notice a big 'woofer' sound if the low frequencys are too much.
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yes daniel you´re right, but then it can also happen the other way round, that you´re cutting to much subbass and in your home studio sounds great and then when you play it in a P.A, the sound doesn´t have that presence
so i think it´s just a matter of experimenting
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bandarlog
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 19:32
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On 2004-12-21 15:17, daniel duarte wrote:
Its good to cut some of the low frequencies.
At home (and depending on your monitors frequency range) you may not notice it, but when playing your track in a big PA you will notice a big 'woofer' sound if the low frequencys are too much.
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True... that's my experience also. When I bought monitors I was surpised to hear that some songs had too much or muddy bass (I mean low freq in kick and bass) in them and some
where lacking them, while they all seemed quite the same on speakers. Then when I played live the same problem (especially the muddyness of bass combined with a lack of power in the kicks). You need to experiment with it. The way I do it: I adjust the levels and eq when I soundcheck, save the project and two days later I listen to the results at home (and am very surprised "Is THAT the way it sounded best?¿?)
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 19:53
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When i cut low end of kick and increase volume of it, i hear kinda missing part. So if you do cut, try to be gentle. |
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Ajja
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 20:41
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hi people
heres my motto:
kick = cut below 50hz
bass = cut below 50hz & reduce around 250hz to fit kick
synth = cut below 500hz
drum & percussion loops = cut below 500hz
hihat & cymbals = cut below 4000hz
psychedelic sounds (fx) = cut below 4000hz
this way your mix is split into distinct layers & your sounds wont interfere with each other...
not a rule... just a rule of thumb.
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EYB
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 23:07
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On 2004-12-21 20:41, Ajja wrote:
psychedelic sounds (fx) = cut below 4000hz
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This is to much, i think u can go down to 250hz, depends on the sfx u want to make.
Kick cut below 30-50, but depends always an combination with bass.
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Conny
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 00:10
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Wow ! Amazing what good responds you get here at isratrace forum
And it´s all getting better and better i believe.
My dream is to create a mix where all seperate instruments are by themself so they don´t interfer with eachother so Ajja i will try what you said.
And thanx to you other for great replys
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