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mk47
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Posted : Oct 27, 2007 06:21
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hi all , question goes out to hobbyists / non pros mostly but do give your input if its relevant to you as well ..
I try make some music sometimes but i find on an average i tend to run through about 7 to 8 `3 minutes or so` duration tracks .... i move to the next mostly coz i get bored to death listening the same few bars over and over and over and am so fed up i start on a new project .. also , i feel every 3 minute track teaches a few things that i`d rather implement on a fresh track than fix the shit that has by now bored me to death . `loopitis` ? . now we can put this down to my poor skills / lack of experience or dyslexia but a few ppl i spoke to also tend to follow a similar trend while making music .. your thoughts and how many you run through before finally arriving at a finished track ?
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psilonaut
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Posted : Oct 27, 2007 06:45
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I'm pretty amateur but considering how much time I spend making music i'd probably classify my music making as an obsession rather than a hobby 
I'm pretty similiar to you, I find I can only make ~3 minute sections of music in a sitting, if I try to make it longer it either sounds too repetitive or the track just changes to suddenly.
But what I do is make up a 3min section then leave it and maybe work on another track or do something else then say come back to it a day or so later with fresh ideas. I usually come back and interweave a new lead in with the main lead of the track and create almost like another verse of the song then bring it back to the original flow for the finale of the track.
For me its bad if I just keep working on the same track for hours and hours because after a while the cool sounding rhythm I initially developed sounds boring because i've been listening to it over and over for hours.
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the daleks
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Posted : Oct 27, 2007 06:49
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I tend to do the opposite and spend forever on a track. some unfinished tracks that are still close to my heart that need their stories to be told are years old...
there is a certain comfort to hearing the same music repeat over an over, and I suspect even a certain kind trance state that may occur
the challenge for me sometimes is hearing what kind of change should occur when and where, and letting the song unfold itself to tell its story. sometimes this happens by mistake, sometimes I have to really think about it, but this process makes it interesting for me to make music, and why I keep coming back to do it
anyway just some ramblings, I hope it may be of help to you in someway
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brasirc
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Posted : Oct 27, 2007 07:15
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yeah...
you know the solution to this??
i read this on a few books...
you, even before starting the project, draw a graphical chart with something like the track`s intensity ups and downs, with the time marks all the way to the end....that way you start the music as one whole, and not something you`ll end up stuck at the 3rd minute
also maybe try making like the bassline all the way to the end, then implement things by layers on the whole song...
hey...im a amateur also....but the most important and hard thing i learned (in anything we try) is to finish something we start....at least so you get used to doing so.....or else you`ll never be able to...
ohhhh and also, most important of all...
NEVER LOOP IT....make changes fast, listen to them...turn sound off, work some more...
if you loop your sound and keep listening to it non stop while you work on it....you`ll eventually end up hatting it more then anything... un-fucking-believable |
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Allegoric - Psynce
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Posted : Oct 27, 2007 08:02
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it's true that at one time the artist experiences ear fatigue.
the best solution is to just put the music off and listen to some other genre and then after sometime listen to ur product u've made and listen to it as just any other track and figure out wat would you want in your story
accept what is missing.
put that element and stretch the story maybe with the same elements by using fx breaks,plugins,
when u get bored make different patterns of the instrument and make a story out of those patterns.
you can take new sounds also it'll keep u busy and won't let u feel bored....
just my opinion
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 27, 2007 08:15
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used to happen alot
then i realized i make too intence music
and strech the 3.5 4 minutes to 6.5 or 7 and now you can hear each sound or 2 alone , what makes it much clearer to understand + make it longer track..
sometimes very small change is enough and save the big change for the middle of the track
also can try and make the 2 trakcs on same scale and bpm and then export loops and edit hole new masterpiece 
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faxinadu
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Posted : Oct 27, 2007 10:33
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Ghost Host
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Posted : Oct 30, 2007 16:51
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well it's happends very offten and i'm sure with everyone, as MUSA is very sensetive thing and she coming and going away like a wind heheh ..anyways, just not to waste my time i normaly making some atractive for me samples, later on i can always use them on any track
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Jerry
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Posted : Oct 30, 2007 17:46
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Well let me put it like this.
Just because your tracks are only 3 minutes doesn't make them bad. When listening to music you don't want to go from point a to point b over a predetermined timespan. Just because most psytrance is 6-8 minutes doesn't mean this is the standard and if yours isn't 6-8 minutes it's not psytrance or it sucks. Stereotyping stuff makes life boring! Perhaps you shouldn't look at it as a bad thing but just as a tryout where you just ran out of inspiration. It happens a lot, to everybody and not just when creating music.
In the end you might end up with a directory filled with tryouts (like me) and you should listen to those tryouts frequently. Perhaps you can come up with new inspiration or perhaps it is gonna be easy to pick up test10 and test25 and combine their ideas. Anybody that tells you that everything he makes becomes a full track is lieing to you, in fact i dare say that anybody says that 50% he creates becomes a full track.
Making music is a creative task. If you run out of inspiration (no more creativity) you cannot create. The only problem is that it isn't so black and white as let's say the local paintguy that is painting your house. If he runs out of paint he just goes to the shop and gets new paint. If you run out of inspiration it is hard to say how you can get new inspiration. Some might get it from listening some other tunes, some have to go to the woods and listen to the birds and some just have to sleep. The generic idea is don't create if you are annoyed. It's very likely your annoyance will be reflected in your music.
Some mental tips:
- If you feel like it's becoming boring or you generally are unsatisfied with how it's going just stop cause a negative feeling will definitely affect your inspiration
- Only try to create when you feel inspired. You're an amateur, it's not a job, you don't have to have things done within a deadline so don't enforce that. It's a hobby and it's supposed to be fun.
- Let people listen to it, perhaps they think it sounds great and it might just give you that inspiration boost you've been looking for.
some technical tips:
- Try to stretch, why not make the full-out part 8 bars longer?
- Don't go full-out after a build up but instead save the nice full sounding open hihat or ride (those can really create the drive in your track) and throw it in after a break to make it sound even more intense.
- Stretch the going downwards, take away only 1 or a few instruments or synths when going down again from a high, don't make it jump too fast.
- Make a dark/deep point in your track with just a few effects or strings and an occasional break and build up again after a 20-30 second down..
I hope my advice is useful. In the end i can't enter your mind to just make you feel right about everything you do, don't forget inspiration might become better with experience as you can make your mind easier flow into a track because you become more acccustomed with the tools you use and they form less of an obstacle.
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"42"
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Posted : Oct 30, 2007 18:30
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I love this thread !!!
So much in common for all of us... hehehe...
I just love to read some other peoples words just like they came out of my mouth...
And still !!! No track can be duplicated... Amazing...
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Anak
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Posted : Oct 30, 2007 19:27
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i used to have that problem until i realized that i couldn't just make music planlessly. i used to play around a bit, without the faintest idea of what i wanted to achieve. that would always lead me to get stuck somewhere between 4 and 5 minutes...
nowadays i know pretty exactly what i want to to. this doesn't mean i know what it will sound like in the end, it's not that i write the climax first and then build the track towards it, but i have a trackname in mind, i know what sort of feeling the finished product should convey, the basic pattern etc...
so my best advice would be: only make music if you're inspired. this is such a personal issue though. some people do gain inspiration by scanning through their samplebase or synthcollection, but i don't. i get my ideas for music when i'm not sitting in fron of the computer. i always carry a notebook and a voicerecorder with me to record my ideas.
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 31, 2007 03:59
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On 2007-10-30 17:46, Jerry wrote:
Just because your tracks are only 3 minutes doesn't make them bad. When listening to music you don't want to go from point a to point b over a predetermined timespan. Just because most psytrance is 6-8 minutes doesn't mean this is the standard and if yours isn't 6-8 minutes it's not psytrance or it sucks. Stereotyping stuff makes life boring! |
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+1
my album is all 4:30 5:00 and 5:30 , and 2 exeptions if i remember correct that go over 6 minutes..
14 tracks in cd.. no problem
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makus
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Posted : Oct 31, 2007 17:34
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On 2007-10-27 06:21, mk47 wrote:
i move to the next mostly coz i get bored to death listening the same few bars over and over and over and am so fed up i start on a new project .. |
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do you get back laterz to you old projects to finish them?
on topic: i actually try to make music flow. i mean sometimes the music is getting out of me on its way and i just have to be quite fast to write it down. and in those cases i look back and realize that there is about 4 minutes are almost done. so for me 4-4:30 mins is actually a break point.
but sometimes new leads and effects and ideas are coming out due to very hard work. in such cases i tend to switch to another project or start a new one. sometimes i just stop making music for a while to have a break an later to finish a project.
i never get bored of the loops i make because i love them =) i cant make something bad and just leave it - i make each sound until i start to love it. how can i be bored of something i love?
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makus
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Posted : Oct 31, 2007 17:36
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anyways i never made a track less then 7 mins. i think 7-8 mins is the best time for a psychedelic trance track.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Oct 31, 2007 17:42
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On 2007-10-31 17:36, makus wrote:
i think 7-8 mins is the best time for a psychedelic trance track.
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Can't agree with that at all I'm afraid. Depends entirely on the track and the subject matter. I've heard 20 minute tracks and 3 minute tracks. The psychedelic nature of the track isnt affected by length.
For what its worth I suffer from 3 minute disease - haven't finished anything in over a year on my own. But my three minute bits are getting really polished
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