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On 2009-05-26 05:32, Elad wrote:

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On 2009-05-25 23:23, full_on wrote: Are you counting mp3s as psytrance? Because for me they're just psyglitch and should not be counted. Respect!

1. you get all the promo cds from isra reviews
2. you are millioner that can afford buy 2 cds per day (12,000$ per year)
3. you only listen to very very small % of trance

if i guess that if thats not the case , then you are kinda superpsyman.. (atleast its not the case for 99.9%)
the rest 99.9% have to use 'try before buy' and will buy 10 cds they really loved , delete the ones they hated , and the medium ones will stay in mp3 untill the next HD format (fashion music dies quickly)

lets face it , 90% of trance music lovers found it on soulseek napster audio galaxy emule bittorent etc.

same with VST , no one would make this music without those try before buy versions.. or you would still have the same 30 artists from 96 and their rediculus huge expensive studios (that gives better vibe for work times i reken big nice nice studio but sound quality allready prooved that not , ask any artist from back then what he use today)

i know the forum rules but once in a while its good to pull own head from S and be realistic.

On 2009-05-26 22:04, Kaz wrote:

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On 2009-05-26 15:05, John Doe® wrote: Quote: On 2009-05-26 14:44, Kaz wrote: Having more music surely means your e-peen is longer. Try competing in something meaningful like checking who can pee the furthest. I'll win for sure... around 15 inches... long!!

your peeing range is 15 inches... dude... sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you aren't breaking any records.

On 2009-05-27 00:03, Axis Mundi wrote:
The "average" is naturally going to drop when the technology increases and more people have ready access to it.

Personally I think the trade-off is worth it. More people are able to express themselves in the way they want to (specifically relating to making electronic music) and to be creative and productive, even if you're learning (which hopefully everyone is) or, to use a better term, just beginning. To be productive and creative to work towards the goal of producing art and trying to get better at is to me well well worth it in the world.

If one or a few people are able to find enjoyment is what may be called a "below average" track, then the person who created that track has been successful. Just because the technology is so readily accessible compared to a blink of an eye ago doesn't mean that every track should be an earth shattering release to be able to find enjoyment in it. It's true that there will be a "lowest common denominator" phenomenon in this and any sort of increased saturation of media.

Which makes me think of another point. Maybe it isn't jsut this. Maybe the increased saturation of media, in this case psy-trance, is also causing people to be numb and discriminating more than they should. When things become more readily accessible and available to us, we become numb to it, take it for granted, set the bar higher. We need to comsume more and every time one of those earth shattering releases comes along, the personal standard for many who have spent considerable amounts of time consuming a product increases. The gap widens. The personal sacredness and gratefulness for the fact that it's just there befons to fade. Because these people are no longer able to be satisfied by what once used to satisfy them, they grow disgruntled. Negativity creeps into their attitudes. They lose the faith and zeal and passion they once had into it. This negativity and dissatisfaction creeps into (or out of) their verbage and behavior. Maybe it's not only on artists who are lowering the bar. They always have the potential to improve. Maybe some of it is the listeners who are indirectly lowering the bar by raising it for themselves.

I don't think the problem is mainly the saturation of music lowering the standard. The fact that so many people are able to create art and that the means are so easy to come by is a beautiful thing, sacred and powerful. These people are finding an outlet for creative expression and can more easily than ever share it with the rest of us. If it doesn't suit our tastes, there is nothing forcing us to listen to it. I wish more people would be happy that this is so. I think a great part of the problem lies in the consumers who have taken so much of it in that the "average" sucks to them now. And their "knowledge" and "experience" justifies to them to speak their opinions with authority and conviction, as if those reading it should read it as fact. I think is a big problem in human thinking. (See what I did there?) You can see this problem exhibited in almost every forum on this forum, being a small slice of a much greater metaphorical pie.

Maybe this post belongs in another forum.

On 2009-05-27 00:03, Axis Mundi wrote:
The "average" is naturally going to drop when the technology increases and more people have ready access to it.

Personally I think the trade-off is worth it. More people are able to express themselves in the way they want to (specifically relating to making electronic music) and to be creative and productive, even if you're learning (which hopefully everyone is) or, to use a better term, just beginning. To be productive and creative to work towards the goal of producing art and trying to get better at is to me well well worth it in the world.

If one or a few people are able to find enjoyment is what may be called a "below average" track, then the person who created that track has been successful. Just because the technology is so readily accessible compared to a blink of an eye ago doesn't mean that every track should be an earth shattering release to be able to find enjoyment in it. It's true that there will be a "lowest common denominator" phenomenon in this and any sort of increased saturation of media.

Which makes me think of another point. Maybe it isn't jsut this. Maybe the increased saturation of media, in this case psy-trance, is also causing people to be numb and discriminating more than they should. When things become more readily accessible and available to us, we become numb to it, take it for granted, set the bar higher. We need to comsume more and every time one of those earth shattering releases comes along, the personal standard for many who have spent considerable amounts of time consuming a product increases. The gap widens. The personal sacredness and gratefulness for the fact that it's just there befons to fade. Because these people are no longer able to be satisfied by what once used to satisfy them, they grow disgruntled. Negativity creeps into their attitudes. They lose the faith and zeal and passion they once had into it. This negativity and dissatisfaction creeps into (or out of) their verbage and behavior. Maybe it's not only on artists who are lowering the bar. They always have the potential to improve. Maybe some of it is the listeners who are indirectly lowering the bar by raising it for themselves.

I don't think the problem is mainly the saturation of music lowering the standard. The fact that so many people are able to create art and that the means are so easy to come by is a beautiful thing, sacred and powerful. These people are finding an outlet for creative expression and can more easily than ever share it with the rest of us. If it doesn't suit our tastes, there is nothing forcing us to listen to it. I wish more people would be happy that this is so. I think a great part of the problem lies in the consumers who have taken so much of it in that the "average" sucks to them now. And their "knowledge" and "experience" justifies to them to speak their opinions with authority and conviction, as if those reading it should read it as fact. I think is a big problem in human thinking. (See what I did there?) You can see this problem exhibited in almost every forum on this forum, being a small slice of a much greater metaphorical pie.

Maybe this post belongs in another forum.

On 2009-05-27 12:11, Axis Mundi wrote:
Actually, I've been making music for over 15 years, in one form or another. My psy-trance persona is only a very small slice of my history, my friend. Most of that time I was making experimental ambient/electronica on hardware only setups and performing live on the same hardware only setups in chillout rooms in raves. You used to barely be able to see me behind all the knobs and midi cables. Before that I was playing double bass in my school orchestra and bass guitar in a just-for-fun jam/metal band. But that's not the point.

It's true that I've only been making/releasing psytrance music for about two years. So just because you only know this one aspect of me via my moniker doesn't mean you know enough about my attitude to be able to predict my thoughts in the future.

Once again I reiterate that I think it's absolutely awesome that it's so easy to acquire the means to make music nowadays. When I think of teeny boppers putting together kicks and bass to make music, it makes me smile Because one time I was one of them, too. Ideally if I had my way then more teeny-boppers would be doing this. Because if they keep doing it until they reach my current age, they will have hopefully learned a lot and will be making really kick ass music with a greater understanding. The "teeny-boppers" of today have the potential to be the artists of the future. Don't discourage them. Nurture them. Hopefully all those teeny-boppers making bedroom beats will only have their resolve strengthened by people with attitudes like yours, not be shamed and defeated.

A teeny-bopper putting his energy into music is on a MUCH better path than he could be. There are a lot worse things he could be doing with his time and I'm comfortable with myself knowing that if I knew one personally, I would love nothing more than to sit down with him and show him some of the amazing things that are further down this road for him if he chooses to follow it.

People like you who choose instead to turn their noses up at them and ridicule them have the wrong attitude and bring nothing positive to our world. Thanks for illustrating the point of my previous post so clearly, though.

On 2009-05-27 01:22,

John Holmes® wrote:

I wasn't talking about peeing range...

On 2009-05-26 22:58, Ascension wrote:
yo dawg I put a torrent in your torrent so you can pirate while you pirate