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How many bars for varoius parts in a song ?

Conny
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Posted : Aug 27, 2009 12:45:33
Hi i find it difficult to decide the length
for various parts in a song.It´s easier with standard 3 minutes songs.
How many bars do you have before a new section, variation.
Chemogen
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Posted : Aug 27, 2009 12:54
I was in the same position as you before I realised that you just need to make it as long as you feel is necessary. I think the most important thing is creating seamless transitions between those sections - no matter how long they are - to keep things flowing.

Also remember to add fills to spice things up.

orgytime
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Posted : Aug 27, 2009 13:03
you can copy a track of your favourite artist in your daw, and watch it... and sure, feel it.

but if you bars are to statick, it can also suck after
just one bar
automation, fx and fills are your friend.

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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Aug 27, 2009 14:21
8*4= 32 beats (variation)

but i'd still say no rules.... if the flow is good den it could be nethin... but, it could fuck wid a dj's head... hehe

cheers!
netrox


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Posted : Aug 27, 2009 20:38
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On 2009-08-27 14:21, elastic_plastic wrote:
8*4= 32 beats (variation)

but i'd still say no rules.... if the flow is good den it could be nethin... but, it could fuck wid a dj's head... hehe

cheers!



Yeah a dj expect something to variate every 32th beat, like highhats adding or removing. But in the beginning i use only kick for 16 beats, little loadup, add snare or percs (depends) and go for another 8 beats, start loading up a lead a little in the background for another 8beats, a drop, loadup, crasch!!! and then kick and baseline, snare and percs just bang bang bang, and then go for 32 beats adding some pads and leads and so on.

This for progressive thou, but guess it works for full-on to. I always take my track to my cdjs and try mix it into other tracks i havent made to see if i can fit it in when im done. If you want djs to play the track you gotta make it easy for em
bukboy
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Posted : Aug 27, 2009 20:44
http://forum.isratrance.com/how-many-phrases-do-you-have-before-a-break/
Obelizk
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Posted : Aug 28, 2009 00:50
you can have as little as like 4 bars of one motive as long as it sounds good although 8 bars for the vast majority of the time makes a better resolution to me than 4 bars.

I say keep the listeners guessing what's going to happen instead of having 32 bars, 32 bars, 32 bars, 32 bars or whatever.
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i'd still say no rules



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Suloo
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Posted : Aug 28, 2009 01:32
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On 2009-08-27 20:44, bukboy wrote:
http://forum.isratrance.com/how-many-phrases-do-you-have-before-a-break/




i was just going to quote this as well..pretty good example...but in the end its that whats feels right i guess..

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Psyloxin604


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Posted : Aug 28, 2009 08:56
Usually 32 or 64. But remember that you can make changes every 4, 8 or 16 bars too. It's up to you. That's the basic mathematic for electronic music production.
Upavas
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Posted : Aug 28, 2009 11:40
I sometimes chuck in four bars after a sequence of 32 bars, sort of like a tickler into a new direction or something like a give gas predecessor or announcer for the new theme variation...           Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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