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How Many audio/Midi Tracks You use ?
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Yassinje
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 05:42
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I was about to listen to my tracks,but I always feel I need to add something else that I don't know what is it, that happen to me with ever song I create 
I found just Kick drum,Lead,bassline tutorials in this lovely unique forum,but there is other missing tutorials or probably, I have to learn from YOU !
how many Tracks you use in your songs psytrance and/or progressive trance ?
What contain every track (lead x?)(Bassline x?] (kick x?) (drum x?)(texture x?)(... x?...
Explain me please!!
with kind regards,
Peace.
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Surrender
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 06:38
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depends...
some open a general "whoosh" track and put all their whooshes there... its better to do lots of automations on that channel since each whoosh is probably diffrent in character and require diffrent care.
some bounce away each sample to its own track after treating it a certain way and forget about it 
depends how u like to see your arrange, lots of stuff or not so much, but with lots of automations.
 "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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ucc
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 06:51
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you may not even need anything, i mean more tracks, maybe some equalisation, dynamics and panoramics arrangements will do the trick, or lower every levels and add rythm tracks, weirdo percurssion, maybe some synced loops like those free with every computer music related magazine, fill a sampler with weirdo sounds and Fxs, extraterrestrial dialogs and trigger them randomly, or not, who cares... |
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ucc
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 06:55
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why don't you put the track online maybe someones care to help you |
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EYB
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 07:59
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I agree with uccpd. Sometimes it is the mix that makes it sound like it was something missing.
Sometimes less is more. If u get playing a kick+bass+perc+lead+random noises or pad or vocals and all is mixed well it sounds full. Of course u can add another fx and another lead and some synced loops that u twist up, but then u need to make the single sounds thinner because they all need their space to live.
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 11:03
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I often use loads of tracks, but most of them don't play at the same time and are just used to add different fx to the same types of sounds. The tracks generally fall in the same categories, like kick+bass, drums, percussions, leads, pads, fx, whooshes. If you organize your tracks in folder-tracks and use group-tracks that correspond to these tracks (and color code them) it's easier to keep track (sorry, bad pun) of which track is doing what.
For me it often works best to spend a lot of time on the few sounds that have a prominent place in the mix though, so i don't need to add a lot of other crap to make it interesting. Also, if you listen to most music that is released, there isn't very much going on at the same time. There's always the temptation to make more 'layers' and spend a lot of time on those, but in the end they often distract and muddy up your mix.
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Yassinje
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Posted : Nov 5, 2005 01:22
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what I don't understand really, is the difference between leads, pads, fx, whooshes !
I know it is a stupid question for someone new in psytrance production, but I have a good base and experience for producing other styles of music ,just I'm in Love in psytrance 2 year ago, and I planned to compose my own music !
Just give pleasesome examples, iether in psytrance artists songs, or presets on some VSTis to understand better the difference between leads, pads, fx, whooshes .
Teach me please !!!
P.S. I have all VSTis (almost all )
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talolard
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Posted : Nov 5, 2005 02:09
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the following is completely subjective and does not represent fact. any deviations from the following are legitimate and no less (if not more) correct than these.
if anyone feels the urge to object vulgarly please do so here : www.object.com/vulgarly.html
that being said:
listen to "void-punishment"
the opening sound which is high pitched and morphs like a pin-drop is a PAD.
The next sound that comes in and lasts for most of the track is the lead.
At the end of a section he uses "wooshes", they sound like a kick drum played backwards. that is an EFFECT
To be more philosophical/artistic.
PADS fill spaces with atmosphere. use a sinister pad like in "the delta - as a child i could walk on the cieling" and you will get a sinister effect.
use a "trippy" pad like in "infected mushrooms - mescaline" to get a trippy feel.
LEADS as thier name implies lead a track. "void -punisment" which i mentioned above is IMO a very good example of a lead that defines the track. as oposed to "kindzadza - Dasty ho" which has a guitar lead that just gives the track more interest. leads are effected not only by the sound you use but by what you play on them. i had a a lead sample i thought was worthless until my friend used an arabian scale on it and made it gold.
EFFECTS are their to fill spaces. lets face it, this is repetitive music and needs "fillers". seriously, effects are good for covering up "lack" but if you are good then you will be using them for added feeling and to define pieces. check out "sensient -multiplayer" has "effects" rythmicly placed as the base of the track. no leads. notice the "bottle spilling" effect at 2:27.
hope i helped
tal
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Yassinje
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Posted : Nov 6, 2005 01:20
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Thank you talolard for your good explanation, I have have that song, and I followed , I understand now the difference between Pad ,Lead and effects
so , we have kick, drums,bassline,pads,leads, effects and/or vocals
But, that's all parts in psychedelic trance production ?
or there is some hidden parts wish give the tracks its glory!
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talolard
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Posted : Nov 6, 2005 02:42
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automation. taking a parameter (like pan or filter cutoff ) and changing it during the song.
loop a a synth part in fruity or cubase or whatever and move the cut slider. cool huh. your sequencer cna record that movement. then your track starts to be intersting.
talent and inspiration help too.
tal
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Yassinje
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Posted : Nov 6, 2005 14:43
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thank you Talolard again
long life to you man!
peace. |
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