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Posted : Nov 13, 2011 21:34
analog goa trance is the best.
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Intertia
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Posted : Nov 13, 2011 22:43
Hey I´d suggest Jeskola Buzz Machines if you have a PC. That way you don´t spend money on synths, unless you want to.
Give it a try!
Heres a vid of it.
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Posted : Nov 13, 2011 23:10
Thanks for all information, you are great.
For Intertia: you think i can take sound from jeskola buzz machines and bring it in cubase?
I have see this tutorial :
But it's for making all the sound with it, I am only searching a way to make good analog sound
I have see also in the forum tips for OSC like using a Sawtooth, it's the same for the oldskool?
Thank you again for all tips, i have discover this website today
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Posted : Nov 14, 2011 04:39
Hey ohm mind, I am not sure if you can hook it up directly to Cubase SX, but you can always record what you need, rip it, and take it to Cubase (Best option, since Buzz has a lot of bugs)
Like other people say, these machines have something the new ones don't have. And Buzz Machines is one of the few that carry that sound you are looking for.
Also I gotta admit its so fun to use!
Heres another video: Cheers
Goodluck!
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Posted : Nov 14, 2011 04:58
the whole dynamic range was in other dimensions than today. Than without being absolutely sure, I think the lackness of more modern techniques like sidechaining for instance and the overall including of more analog instruments were factors why the original goa trance sound sounds different than nowadays psytrance.
The kicks were not really pitched - I guess. Or atleast not the way the standard psytrance kick sounds today. The bassline was just in the background and had much often other pattern than kbbb etc etc. The melody and melodical assemlbing with all it high peaks was probably the important part as today the bassline/kick is.
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ohm mind
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Posted : Nov 14, 2011 11:45
thanks for everyone if anyone has again advice? I'm interested
Tomorrow I see a friend who is sound engineer in dub/step and drum and bass, I'll watch it with him this advice for create that typical sound.
if there is anyone interested? I will put what he said to me
I agree with TimeTraveller oldskool is more melody,that's why I love oldskool goatrance
thanks and see you soon
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Posted : Nov 14, 2011 17:53
the way i see it, Goa Trance is not about using old hardware or old tecniques, IMO its a concept...
and that concept can be fit into pretty much of everything, from downtempo to uplifting trance and also progressive styles... in fact its also plently possible to assemble goa style into genres like house or techno (i know that may sound crazy, but believe-me...it can be done)
there is no limits, its all about expressing ideals, ideas and put them togheter using your knoledge... using old techniques or new techniques it doesnt matter...
you can do it with everything you want, even using the most crapy digital and plastic vsti its possible to create a rusty organic sound... making it feel more alive
there is allways a way into original stuff... find yours
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Posted : Nov 14, 2011 19:43
1. Don't listen to any modern psytrance made after 2000, and immerse yourself in psychedelic dance music made between 1993 and 2000 (not strictly necessary but if you want to make music true to the original style, you need to be influenced only by the things that we were all influenced by at the time).
2. LIMIT YOUR TECHNOLOGY
- Set your DAW sample-rate to 32KHz and bit-depth to 16-bit.
- choose 4 VST polysynths, 3 VST monophonic synths, one VST 303 emulation (eg. Phoscyon) and one VST sampler. Use ONE INSTANCE ONLY of each of the synths and limit yourself to 10MB sample memory in the sampler. Use only 8-bit or 16-bit samples. STICK TO THESE LIMITS AS IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.
- choose 4 VST effect units, including one delay and one reverb. Use ONE INSTANCE ONLY of these effects units. STICK TO THESE LIMITS AS IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.
- when EQing your sounds, use 4 bands maximum on any sound. Do not move the Q control away from its default position on any band. Do not use high-pass filters at any frequency other than 70Hz. Do not use low-pass filters in your EQ. STICK TO THESE LIMITS AS IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.
- Automate one parameter ONLY on your FX units; do not automate any reverb parameters. Only automate filter cutoff and one additional parameter on your synths and the sampler. STICK TO THESE LIMITS AS IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.
- Use a maximum of 24 mixer channels (stereo sources count as 2 channels). Use a maximum of 6 compressor channels on the entire mix - stereo compressors count as 2 channels. Do not bounce down anything to audio - leave everything running live in the mix. You may resample audio into the sampler as long as you never use more than 10MB sample memory at any one time. STICK TO THESE LIMITS AS IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.
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Posted : Nov 14, 2011 20:12
Thanks to cosmo circle and OOOD , two very good artists for me
If I understand what you said I can from any vst get organic sound?
Do you have other tips?
I have see in this forum , the OSC Sawtooth is often use in goa, or there maybe no real rule to create an organic sound?
For OOOD : you speak about poly and mono synths! i should use poly for special sound like lead and pad?
I have see on cosmosis website for 303 it's better in mono, is right?
Thanks a lot for you tips
see you soon
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Posted : Nov 14, 2011 20:45
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On 2011-11-14 20:12, ohm mind wrote:
I have see in this forum , the OSC Sawtooth is often use in goa, or there maybe no real rule to create an organic sound?
In the old days most analog synths were limited to saw, triangle, pulse/square and sine. The rules here were set by the equipment we could use.
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For OOOD : you speak about poly and mono synths! i should use poly for special sound like lead and pad?
I have see on cosmosis website for 303 it's better in mono, is right?
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Posted : Nov 14, 2011 21:58
think its all in use of external gear and the fact it has to pass some cables,mixers and stuff.
The "Air" in between.....which isn´t there if you work inthebox
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Posted : Nov 14, 2011 22:12
i didnt know he was totally beginer or i wouldn t advice some hardware to get oldschool sound, maybe he could be perfectly happy with software once he get used to synthesis, now if you really want to sound like oldschool artists the best way is to use the same tools + the advantage of today technologie for sequencing ,working with audio...
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Posted : Nov 14, 2011 22:16
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On 2011-11-14 21:56, Greententacle wrote:
32khz ? com´on
This is the samplerate used by the Long-Play mode of the DAT recorders used to record final versions of tracks in the 90s. Not every track was mixed into long-play mode, but many were.
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think its all in use of external gear and the fact it has to pass some cables,mixers and stuff.
The "Air" in between.....which isn´t there if you work inthebox
(Best option, since Buzz has a lot of bugs)
