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loki
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Posted : Nov 14, 2013 19:43:36
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So let's say I'm writing a song in C.
My monitors go down to 43hz or so (Adam A7s). I could limit my bass to 64hz, or I could go all the way down to 32hz.
64hz C sounds a bit lacking, with not enough sub power. But I know that at 32hz C I'm actually missing a lot of the sound 'cuz of the monitors.
So... how low do you go?
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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Nov 14, 2013 19:47
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had the same for years. doesent matter your monitors go down to 45hz. rest chek on analyser. bass sound should be equal not heavy low  |
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PsiloCybian
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Posted : Nov 14, 2013 22:24
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daark
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Posted : Nov 14, 2013 23:29
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It's better to hear the bass than to imagine it.
So make it audible.
I added a sub track for low frequencies so if i play 32hz nothing goes below. Club mix is at 40/50hz cut.I think on vinyl it also ends there.
Its you decision if you want your track to sound good on laptop speakers aswell or club. Most PA's i know cut at 40hz outdoors aswell. Even though you have enough room for it.
Most people don't care for the presence of those frequencies i really had a hard job adding all those subs neatly. then djs tell i need to cut below 40hz and other people just don't have a clue what happened.
it's more about the music and the pleasent sound. helped me none. I like them myself less headroom yes but without it sounds not good just like that sound went worse.
i would suggest you go 64hz for your root note but you need to hear how it sounds and know what you want it to sound. choose what sounds better musicaly. all those small things can be solved later but better to make it right from init patch(easier for you). maybe if you make a really hollow underground dub its better you go lower. don't know ... check it and check if your root note is your root note. 
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daark
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Posted : Nov 14, 2013 23:41
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Padmapani
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Posted : Nov 15, 2013 00:17
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i recently had some trouble with a tune where kick+bass weren't sounding good in d. i was shifting those around from 36hz to 73hz and back again.
finally i decided to drop the whole thing down two semitones and went with 65hz for my root note.
after all there are lots of old techno tracks with high root notes (or ones that you most often heard played at 45rpm instead of 33 as intended), which pack more than enough bass punch. especially so, when not played on an expensive festival-sized sound system. |
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daark
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Posted : Nov 15, 2013 00:30
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knocz
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Posted : Nov 15, 2013 01:28
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Hmmm what if you didn't cut everything out?
Ok you might want to take more control on the low end, but maybe a shelf at around 64Hz, and then LP cut them at 45Hz-50Hz?
Like this you won't be cutting the whole subs out of it, but they will be less prominent and give you some space for your fundamental to stick out while still giving a little fill to the sub.
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 15, 2013 04:29
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loki
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Posted : Nov 15, 2013 05:09
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Interesting 
Maybe I'll hook up the PA and woofer setup my roomie has and test it out both ways - at 64hz, and then at 32, but with a shelf -3db or so to tame the lows.
I'll let ya'll know how that works out...
I guess the advantage of 64hz is that the bass will sound nice and melodic, prominent, and middy.
Full disclosure - I'm making downtempo/bass music, not trance, so results may vary
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daark
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Posted : Nov 15, 2013 09:31
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aje
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Posted : Nov 15, 2013 15:35
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Nov 15, 2013 16:27
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monno
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Posted : Jan 3, 2014 03:15
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Depends on the material, but since my speakers go lower than i can possibly hear (-3db@25hz) it´s usually quite easy to deal with the lower octave.
You don´t really need a whole lot of information to go on, beyond the 50hz mark to obtain balance in the low end. Anything below that is really best left for another stage of the production´s life.
As long as the speaker response is not tuned to emphasize the low mid (to compensate for lack of deep bass)
It´s perfectly realistic to make great sounding music without being able to hear what´s going on down there.
Most of my kicks are tuned between 40 to 60 something Hz. Never was a stickler for musical conventions when i have synthesizers and sequencing capabilities at hand.
Pitch is something i do by ear and i will happily deviate from common notions to achieve my goal.
If the sound is not satisfactory tweak ´til happy!
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