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Sonica
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 14:52:04
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im still struggling to produce that wide stereo effect on one lead to another, i mean u got the bass and kick rolling nicely in mono, but cant seem to make my leads stand out from the speakers, ive used distortion chorus panning etc but still cant achieve that huge fat wide lead?! suggestions? |
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 14:57
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Did u ever try using a doubler?
And it might be the original sound thats the problem not your ability to tweak it.
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 14:59
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double the channel and pan one completly right , the other completly left.
now maybe some diffrent eq on each , slight time shift can help too (up to 0.5 ms usualy is enough imo for trance , in rock guitar in can be even 15 ms.) even add phasers on that.
if this not make drastic change on the stereo image then i suspect your speakers are located too close.
btw have u used stereo imager? or stereo widner?
(just incase you work on FL , there is stereo width knob on evry mixer channel , the fastest way for me to check stereo field) www.sattelbattle.com
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 15:18
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hehe once i forgot to pan the digital mixer when we fired up the studio and spent atleast 1 hour trying to fix the mix until we discovered i had forgot to pan. Monotrance ftw lol.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 15:49
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On 2008-11-30 14:59, Elad wrote:
slight time shift can help too (up to 0.5 ms usualy is enough imo for trance , in rock guitar in can be even 15 ms.)
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+1
My modular is mono and not sample accurate on midi timing like soft synths are. I simply record that twice and because of the small time shifts and free running VCOs, I get a wide image by panning the two channels left and right.
Also on pop and metal stuff I've done, simply shifting backing vox tracks and guitars, did the trick just fine.
Pay attention when using stereo imagers as your parts will get lost in the mix if your tunes ever get played out in mono systems.
Peace out.
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 16:04
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yap that small changes is why i suggested to add phaser. you have better idea with export twice , unless its re-trigger osc.
alot of vocalists do the same and actualy mixing 5-6 trakcs of diffrent recording of themselves sing the same thing.. alot of depth.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 16:07
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Works better than adding chorus to vox (especially if you don't have a really good one) to record multiple takes of a vocal track and then panning them accordingly. It just sounds richer and more natural, but you do need a good vocalist that can record more than one phrase at a time, or it takes a long recording session to get the vocal parts of a tune down.
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Sonica
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 16:34
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makus
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 16:38
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BTW in Cubase/Nuendo you can use Double Delay to achive double track effect, without exporting anything to disc.
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Sonica
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 16:39
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mm ok try that one bruv |
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Sonica
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 16:41
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On 2008-11-30 14:59, Elad wrote:
double the channel and pan one completly right , the other completly left.
now maybe some diffrent eq on each , slight time shift can help too (up to 0.5 ms usualy is enough imo for trance , in rock guitar in can be even 15 ms.) even add phasers on that.
if this not make drastic change on the stereo image then i suspect your speakers are located too close.
btw have u used stereo imager? or stereo widner?
(just incase you work on FL , there is stereo width knob on evry mixer channel , the fastest way for me to check stereo field)
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cheers man time shift, i forgot about that one, yet so simple |
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Sonica
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 16:43
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ive got sum stereo wideners like ozones imager and sum free ones, but i stopped usin them for the tinny kinda sound they give me. apart from ozones. |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 17:21
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you can try a stereo delay with no feed back ,i set for example the right at 15 ms and the left at 30 ms (you have to experiment where it sound good and i modulate them ( or just one of them with a fast lfo ) then play with the balance dry and wet to find the good spot and voila (also it should sound perfect in mono that way )i use that with synths that come out in mono to make the signal stereo .
also you can try to export your synth sound then make it play with the one still in midi but detune the synth to make it sound good with the other,then export it, pan one hard left other hard right ..
a other trick i ahve to try is to export the sound to audio , then randomize with few midi tics the midi part and export it again, pan one hard left other hard right .
using a delay on one of the side i don t like much cause it s sound strange in mono |
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Sonica
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 17:34
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On 2008-11-30 17:21, PoM wrote:
you can try a stereo delay with no feed back ,i set for example the right at 15 ms and the left at 30 ms (you have to experiment where it sound good and i modulate them ( or just one of them with a fast lfo ) then play with the balance dry and wet to find the good spot and voila (also it should sound perfect in mono that way )i use that with synths that come out in mono to make the signal stereo .
also you can try to export your synth sound then make it play with the one still in midi but detune the synth to make it sound good with the other,then export it, pan one hard left other hard right ..
a other trick i ahve to try is to export the sound to audio , then randomize with few midi tics the midi part and export it again, pan one hard left other hard right .
using a delay on one of the side i don t like much cause it s sound strange in mono
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cheers |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 18:16
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creating you patch in stereo works good too (you can do it with some vsti), like building 2 synth patchs, one for the left and one for the right . (oscillator ,filter + some modulations or what ever you want for the left and same for the right using slightly different value ,then you can use some modulation for both side,like a filter... lot of cool experimentations to try )
also with a stereo sound you can use mid/side encoder (there is a free one on the voxengo site )and then boost the hights on the side things like that... to make things even more wide.
then at the end for stereo or mid/sid signal the sonalksis StereoTools rules . |
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