How does one sidechain without having the kick sound?
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 01:39
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On 2011-01-05 13:16, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2011-01-04 23:33, aciduss wrote:
Create a ghost kick channel with kicks in it but volume fader down and then send the signal through a bus with prefader on.
Or double up your kick drum channel, send it to a buss (say buss 11) and select no output for that buss. Then at the bottom of each track you want to sidechain, insert a compressor and select buss 11 for sidechain input.
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i did this in logic.
Thats probably excactly what i did, works wonders :3
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 02:43
I also work exactly this way ^ much much fun,ant lots of compressors in my logic works Does anyone know how to sidechain frequency-selective without a special plug in(with just a normal compressor)?.. I know there are ways for it without a special compressor or I heard about it today but have not tested it really out still thinking about it.
I mean to sidechain only a small range or the range you decide in the lower area,lets say at 20o hz.How would you do this?
THere are compressors that can do this ,that you select the frequency range that you want to duck/sidechain but I never have seen such compressors and am not really intersted in them,But there are ways to do it different.Can anyone help me with it? Standard Equalizer should be an important part of such action on a furthter bus or sth like this.
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 02:56
lot of logic slutz there ,when we make a collab just for fun with just logics plugs to make it easy.
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 06:49
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On 2011-01-06 02:43, TimeTraveller wrote:
Does anyone know how to sidechain frequency-selective without a special plug in(with just a normal compressor)?..
the logic compressor will do that for you on the setting page. you can use it also for triggering compression by selectring a frequency range, then the compressor will react to this . randome example would be to select the low on the drum bus so the drums pump to the kick tail, it can work really good on some stuff and you dont need a other track to trigger the comp.
a other example with doing the usual sidechain of the kick on the bassline using a bus, i often choose around 1.5k/ 2k to triger the compression, so the compressor react only to the attack of the kick, it can give a faster feel, you can gain some punch sometimes.. you will see it give more control , it s like moving a ghost kick a few ms forwaard or backward to a sweet spot to really tighten everyhting after setting up the compression pump.it can help to avoid disotrion with too fast setting on some compressors too
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 07:14
You could also duplicate the kick track and invert the duplicate 180 degrees, if it is exactly the same kick played at the same time the 2 will cancel each other out and you can still the first kick track to duck whatever you want.
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 13:16
Pom..I nver have used this setting page ..damn interesting.
And also what interesting is to me,I talked with very expirienced guys,who know each sequencer in and out and those gave me other 2 ways .. not this one.. I have to ask why?
..the way that I understand good is : make 3 tracks of 1.
1. The fist track make a high cut at lets say 195Hz,(you could put there a comp with another maybe a bit lighter compression to a bus).
2.The next track you make a bandpass filter from 195 till maybe 245 Hz ,there you put a compressor with a more gain reduction to the bus of your trigger signal.
3.The last track you make a lowcut at 250 Hz without any sidechain compression ,maybe just a compression and a bit boost in the higher range.
However,this is a way famous and very successful albums of today have been indeed produced,more commercial ones.I know it from first source.
The important is that there is always the same Q factor and the same db/oct.In the tracks.
Another way is a bit more complex with two busses and looks more elegant for me,but I have to check it completely.
Although Im looking forward to asking why the hell nobody pointed out this what you are saying with the setting page?..
Thanks very much my friend.
Upavas,this is a light version of what I described I think thank you very much amigo.
This techniques are very necesseary for a pretty and heavy bombing lowend I guess.I mean if your works have a lot of low signals.A lot of death metal work like this,death metal of the best produced kind.And a lot of all possible music that sell amounts.I have always to fight with not just kick and bass,but a lot of signals in low areas.In all kinds of music Im producing this was always the most complex task for me.For example in my hip hop beats I have often like 3 drum loops with heavy bassy elements playing at one time ,like 3 drum and Bass beats on the same time,like one only a killer basskick like in firestarter and other bass places have on other places in the other loops,than bassline ,maybe a wobble bass,than the fun just beginss, lets say 2 orchestral samples with wide dynmaic range and extra flashes in the lowarea ,so i have 4 channels to deal with orchestral samples and so on..in psytrance its also a lot of bass ,without a bit of skills meanwhile it would be just a rumbling something- it is still far away from something really good,Now I think this is a decent way that should not work from one day to another but that could work wonders at some point with this techniques to solve the bass spectrum in a more detailed way.
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 13:32
if i understand you, it look more like sidechained multiband compression , where the low mid band is triggered by something?
compressing just some part of the signal and bend them back with the uncompress stuff using eqs and buss can work really good too.
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Posted : Jan 8, 2011 23:57
yes! Actually I was told it a bit easier.Like only the middle part or the middle track to compress than its like frequency selective side chaining.
But my version looks like a multi band side chained compression or sth https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden
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Posted : Jan 9, 2011 00:32
I believe Fabfilter's Pro-c compressor does the job on this one with it's internal sidechain function:
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 13:57
In FL Studio this would be super easy. Assign a kick to a free mixer channel, set up a FL Peak Controller, mute the sound and add some peak to it, then link the volume controller for what you want to sidechain to it and assign the input to the Peak and set the input with something between 1.0-0.0 (I like 0.7) -input
