How does one sidechain without having the kick sound?
Oni Katsu
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Posted : Jan 4, 2011 23:29:25
Hey folks, i made the title quite obvious, i want to sidechain a fuzzy pad and layer it with a big choir-like one, but they wont sound good unless i sidechain them, but you see.
I sidechained the kick with my psybass to make the kick punch real hard and the bass pump a little to make it groovy.
I sent the signal of the bass and kick to bus 1, i attatched a compressor to the bass and all that and not THATS sidechaining.
But when i do the same with a pad, i send it to bus 1 and it ducks to both the kick AND the bassline, meaning there is not much of the signal coming through and i dont get the effect i want.
So i decided to create a new bus for those pads, but i dont want there to be ANY kick sounding at all, that also lets me introduce the pad in a pumping way. Anyway, so how the heck do i mute this second kick but still make the pads pump?
aciduss
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Posted : Jan 4, 2011 23:33
Create a ghost kick channel with kicks in it but volume fader down and then send the signal through a bus with prefader on.
willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 00:02
couple ways to do this...
one is to create a ghost kick like aciduss mentioned
another is to create a new MIDI track, insert an instrument on it and just have it play a note at the desired length with full sustain (or to taste) and then sidechain that..you don't have to use a kick to do it
another way is to use the method you're using now..but record the pumping pad as audio then move it to the place in your track you want it. As in..put the pad in where the kick is, then record it and move it to where the kick isn't
Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 13:16
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On 2011-01-04 23:33, aciduss wrote:
Create a ghost kick channel with kicks in it but volume fader down and then send the signal through a bus with prefader on.
Or double up your kick drum channel, send it to a buss (say buss 11) and select no output for that buss. Then at the bottom of each track you want to sidechain, insert a compressor and select buss 11 for sidechain input.
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 13:52
Start by making 2 mono tracks. 1 for real kick and 1 for ghost kick. The ghost channel should not be routed to any output, if you don't know how to do that just mute the channel.
Create a group channel, put a compressor on it with sidechain on. With this channel you can route any channel that is not "worth" having a compressor on it's own. All other channels that needs different compressor settings should get a plugin of their own.
Easy and done!
A
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 15:06
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On 2011-01-05 13:52, A.Rosengren wrote:
Start by making 2 mono tracks. 1 for real kick and 1 for ghost kick. The ghost channel should not be routed to any output, if you don't know how to do that just mute the channel.
Create a group channel, put a compressor on it with sidechain on. With this channel you can route any channel that is not "worth" having a compressor on it's own. All other channels that needs different compressor settings should get a plugin of their own.
Easy and done!
A
I'm confused, where do you set the ghost channel as sidechain input? That group channel you created, is that the channel where you route any channel you want to side chain? If so, how would you sidechain different tracks by different gain reduction amount? Cause you don't want the same amount of gain reduction on every track you wanna sidechain, hence my question.
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Obelizk
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 15:17
Yep.
1.) Duplicate the kick track to a new track
2. ) set the output to No Bus
3. ) set up your side chain the same way you set it up on your main kick track
A.Rosengren
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 15:37
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On 2011-01-05 15:06, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2011-01-05 13:52, A.Rosengren wrote:
Start by making 2 mono tracks. 1 for real kick and 1 for ghost kick. The ghost channel should not be routed to any output, if you don't know how to do that just mute the channel.
Create a group channel, put a compressor on it with sidechain on. With this channel you can route any channel that is not "worth" having a compressor on it's own. All other channels that needs different compressor settings should get a plugin of their own.
Easy and done!
A
I'm confused, where do you set the ghost channel as sidechain input? That group channel you created, is that the channel where you route any channel you want to side chain? If so, how would you sidechain different tracks by different gain reduction amount? Cause you don't want the same amount of gain reduction on every track you wanna sidechain, hence my question.
Yes that group is where I route any channel that I want sidechained, and yes I did state that only on tracks you don't need different settings on the compressor. Like small atmospheric sounds and similar. The input for that groups compressor should come from the ghostkick channel of course. Which means we are saying the same thing, for channels that needs different settings than the one on the group channel a new compressor with individual settings should be applied.
I usually have 2 different sidechain groups, 1 untouched and 1 stereo-wided with side chain.
Cheers,
A
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 16:17
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On 2011-01-05 15:37, A.Rosengren wrote:
Which means we are saying the same thing, for channels that needs different settings than the one on the group channel a new compressor with individual settings should be applied.
Right, gotcha.
In Logic, you gotta use a buss if your kick channel is an audio instrument (soft synth track, in the kick's case, Ultrabeat), as you cannot select an audio instrument track as sidechain input.
Audio tracks can be selected, by I don't bounce the kick as audio, I just trigger Ultrabeat, where I create all my kicks, in real time.
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 17:29
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Oni Katsu
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 01:38
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On 2011-01-05 13:16, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2011-01-04 23:33, aciduss wrote:
Create a ghost kick channel with kicks in it but volume fader down and then send the signal through a bus with prefader on.
Or double up your kick drum channel, send it to a buss (say buss 11) and select no output for that buss. Then at the bottom of each track you want to sidechain, insert a compressor and select buss 11 for sidechain input.
