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How do you write your songs?
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diskOtek
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Posted : Aug 29, 2006 16:28
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On 2006-08-29 14:06, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
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On 2006-07-11 16:36, tsabeat wrote:
make track with no kick bass and percussion 
then if you want you can add them easily 
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Sounds Fun... I'm gonna try that.
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actually im thinkin of trying it vice versa!
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psylevation
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Posted : Aug 29, 2006 22:53
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yeah thats a good idea boobytrip. Once you have a melody and even just one variation of it, you can pretty much write a song off of that. I'll will take maybe just the first few notes of a melody and introduce them occasionally in the begining. Then you could really tease during a build up and give a bit more of the melody. Then making variations on the rhythm of the melody. Have the melody be simple, then maybe add more notes to it as the song progresses.
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Witchery Whistle
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Posted : Sep 1, 2006 03:32
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Great thread, guys.
The problem mentioned by topicstarter was a big problem to me for some years(!). By the time i came up to understanding all the things you all wrote about, so reading you i can understand everybody's way of making music and wouldn't add much except few things.
1. Electronic music is really about freedom of expression. Its properties are all about that. However (un)fortunatelly making psy-trance music is making a product and it exhausts you in certain frameworks. In this context learning from other musicians track structures is not the worst idea. Otherwise maybe you should try your talent in some other genre of electronic music.
Another pro for structure is that it is a sound reflection of the psychedelic trip (for those who try to make music mainly for that, i hope there are still such musicians among us). Keep it in mind while making your track.
If you are really creative you won't loop on certain structures, they will come to you in their personal style with time. Others structures are just to start with.
And there's a place for creativity when making a structure even for these psy-trance products. You can imagine a fairy tail telling to people, many things you can do, not only counting measures for parts.
2. Melody can come from sounds, even presets ones, coming with synth. I tweak knobs on my synth, play keys and soon melody comes, and many melodies come. As for me it's often the most pleasant and the most creative part of the whole production.
3. Don't be afraid to record audio to come to composing of the next part. You not only save resources, you add effects to it and the process gets easear when you already here some cool processing. (To save your genious midi parts read what psylevation wrote, i do the same, in Cubase also).
Would be interesting to hear how masters of goa trance do it all in all |
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psylevation
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Posted : Sep 1, 2006 23:45
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yep, definitely don't be afraid to drop your parts to audio. You'll start to learn that you can do really quite a bit with the audio of your parts. Especially using them to make the many many many strange fx and transitions. |
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psylevation
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Posted : Sep 1, 2006 23:51
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btw, this thread is totally getting bookmarked by me. I'm coming back here whenever I get stuck and i'm gonna just read through the posts to get some ideas, or figure out why i'm stuck. This has to be probably my favorite thread ever.    |
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djzed
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Posted : Sep 4, 2006 08:51
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We need more threads like these. For all the tips on production, mixing, how to use synths, creating basslines and so on, people don't often talk about the process of creating and structuring a track.
I just want to respond to an earlier post by Safa:
"i dont know guys, there is all different ways of making eletronic music, psychedelic trance have got into this formula where almost all tracks are sounding the same, no inovation, artists are all with this formula some people talked about in here.
where u have an intro, and then section A then a break and etc..
what is this anyway? we are supost to make the difference, make something new, innovate, not make music in a based formula."
I definately agree that there's alot stuff out there that's all sounding the same, and that people need to be more innovative, but we shouldn't delude ourselves as to how formulaic and structured music (of any kind) is. I know we would like to think that psy trance/electronic style is "free" music, that doesn't have to stick to any rules or formulas. And I myself did think that for period of time. But I realized that any style of music is essentially defined by it's structure - in fact if a certain style didn't have a unique structure that unifies all pieces written in that style, it wouldn't be a style!
It's kind of funny - It's almost an oxymoron to say that psytrance is a style which has no boundaries or rules, because if that were the case, what makes psytrance psytrance?
In truth the style of music we are all here to learn and make is just another genre of music, and I can't say it's more "free" than any other styles, I can only say that that it focuses on different aspects. But those aspects are what I LOVE about this music. For example while a typical pop song focuses on things like lyrics, catchy tunes, psytrance focuses more on the musical journey, dancy rythms and creation of new sounds.
I guess my overall point is that we don’t have to look at things like rules and formulas as things which restrict us or prevent us from being innovative – rather the opposite. Having rules simply defines what types of things we like including in our music, because they WORK. It defines what makes our style different from all other styles. And the innovation comes from what we do with that framework, how we use those rules to get the best results out of our music.
Beethoven, one of the most innovative composers of all time, wrote his most famous pieces in a structure called “sonata form”, which was a very typical classical structure at the time and a structure that a lot of shit was written in as well. But it’s what he did with that structure that made him a genius.
Having said this I want to pose the question, what makes psytrance psytrance? Or to put it in a different way - what is a well-structured psytrance track? It's a very deep question and one that I have been thinking about a lot. I’m not going to answer it in this post because my answer would be too long, but it would be great to hear what other people have to say!
Cheers
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