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how do you use M/S or L/R equalizing...?
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golem
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Posted : Jan 3, 2014 02:28:26
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How do you use M/S or L/R equalizing or processing...?
I really haven't yet found any application where I would need it.
If I need to spread something in stereo field I use a stereo delay without feedback (like 0/1ms on one channel and max. 4ms on other), or sometimes (rarely) a stereo chorus. Or sometimes I use doubling (to synths, one L and one R)
The same thing with widening/narrowing stereo field. Still haven't used them at all. To me it sounds like the stereo image is as good as it is when it comes from a synth and doesn't really need adjusting. Or perhaps I don't have yet good enough stereo ears?-)
OK well I find one application: making bassline low frequencies mono. But cutting side channel is wrong approach in my opinion, isn't it better just to make sure that you have only 1 low oscillator in the patch and that it is in the middle..?
 
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Midnight Sun
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Posted : Jan 3, 2014 06:17
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Try Waves S1 Imager, will help you to get more into stereo imaging, also it's very easy to use.
For Kick & Bass you usually may want mono low frequencies because of the punch you get this way, but for other purposes when you don't need punch it's perfect to use stereo low frequencies, specially on atmospheres.
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Padmapani
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Posted : Jan 4, 2014 01:29
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if you have this awesome stereo melody playing and want to fit an acidline in at the same time, but they are clashing a bit, you can use M/S EQ to lower your awesome stereo melody a bit in the conflicting frequencies in the mid channel and fit the acidline in this way  |
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nutrinoland
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Posted : Jan 4, 2014 04:49
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Just to add to this...You also get Reverb with MS...so You can have reverb only on the mid or only on the side component of a stereo sound . Also a sound can be split into bands and processed parallely with the mid to high frequencies can be processed with MS |
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nutrinoland
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Posted : Jan 4, 2014 05:24
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For example Ohmicide can do MS processing.. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 4, 2014 05:47
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stereo expanders/wideners is one thing, M/S decoding and EQ quite another.
it's useful during mastering sometimes, in that you can divide the signal into center - what comes out equal in both speakers; and sides - the part of the signal that has any difference between the pair of channels.
being able to cut a bit in the center while leaving the sides intact is one of many applications possible. using a M/S EQ is an easy way of creating differentiation between the two sides just as well, if you boost a bit on the Left and cut same frequencies on the Right, for example.
and, of course, once you go down that road, the coders/decoders also work for your newly made signal. I don't think you need it as a corrective tool, or a way to approach a signal that gets to you like that: like mid and side recorded instruments, for example; but it doesn't mean there aren't any creative uses that you'd benefit from trying. |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Jan 4, 2014 16:29
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 4, 2014 17:47
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On 2014-01-04 16:29, Babaluma wrote:
EQ is L/R 95% of the time here, when mastering. M/S EQ can be good for problem solving (de-essing splashy percussion on the sides, etc.) or slight stereo width enhancement occasionally. Never use M/S compression.
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it depends on the kind of material you get. guess M/S is more important during mixing stage, specially when dealing with instrument recordings.
but what I'm really trying to stress here, is that even with perfect control over the material from the get go, like most EDM producers, there's some potential for creative usage of this tools that's not to be missed - even though it may look like tedious sound design for most. |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Jan 4, 2014 22:38
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yeah, all can be used as 'sound design' tools. but remember the law of diminishing returns. the more you spread the stereo by adding S to M, when you get to a certain point you just end up with a mono signal again (all M or all S). in mastering with M/S gain the most i've ever added or subtracted from the regular L/R signal is 0.6dB. gives a subtle but definite change to stereo width, but am usually around 0.4 either way.
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monno
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Posted : Jan 6, 2014 11:42
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 6, 2014 17:18
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On 2014-01-06 11:42, monno wrote:
For mixing and producing i´d say the value of M/S is near 0. It has it´s definite uses when mastering bedroom productions and the need for a surgical "strike" arises. A true life saver on stereo mixes gone wrong. I have many mixes coming in that needs those techniques. A lack of understanding on how to place things in a mix sometimes calls for a fix only M/S can provide. That only goes for eq´ing. Never had much need or luck with compression that way.
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I don't necessarily agree. There's a couple of stereo tricks that can be applied during production, like doubling a track and pan to the extreme opposites and delaying one a bit, or create a slight difference between left and right with a M/S Q. It's barely noticeable, but can be the thing that adds some interest or a little, subtle aid, in positioning the sounds within a mix.
Of course we're talking subtle settings and changes here, rather then drastic stuff, but nuances is what the game is all about anyways.
You can have a narrow middle and a wash of reverb on the sides, with no centre at all (that's just an extreme exemple), but sometimes it would make sense to approach stuff like this. you know, you can do anything really... this sort of thinking has its place in Bass music, their Bass sounds are almost like Leads, sometimes they add a little splashy something to colour the sound of a snare, may even be vinyl noise or something, maybe more to the sides then centre, nothing in your face, but once the mix is done, this little nuances will add up to a more organic feel and the mix will sound less digital and perfect - which is a good thing in many genres.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 15, 2014 17:56
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so layering drum sounds is one of its many uses. have you noticed how some drum sample packs (single hits) are not centred?
if you use a M/S decoder, more likely then not, if it's a bass drum or a snare, you'll find that the body is centred while the overheads or layered hat on tops or something is not. some cases where this is simply the effect of recording real drums on a studio with more then one mic, others is just the result of sound design making use of this kind of tools. it's pretty common to add some differences in the sides for drums actually, even on single hits... |
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knocz
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Posted : Jan 15, 2014 22:06
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Well, you can use M/S for dramatic and mix automation effects.
Just imagine you have a lead that does something: that something could be be in the center, then get fattened up by delaying one side, then the center disappears and the sounds on the side start rising, when rising they come together in the center.
This would be achievable with one M/S EQ's, with some automations. You can lower the Mid frequencies and make a sound go to the sides, use an LP on the Side to make it rise a bit and automate that Mid frequency so the center comes back up, while taking out the Side frequencies so it appears as if the sides are coming together to the center.
So, thinking in motion, you can make some interesting effects.
Also, as said, you can place 2 sounds in the same time and frequency domain with M/S, with control over which frequencies are played in the sides and in the center for either sound. Again, say you're playing lead A and wanna bring in Lead B, you can have B coming in with the Mid cut out, and bring the Mid in while you cut the Mid on the already playing Lead A.
It's a tool, there are uses for it - even if not necessary (like a cow bell  ).
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