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How do you guys wear all them hats?
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jekvan
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Posted : May 7, 2011 22:29:05
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What I mean is-it looks like electronic music producer is wearing all those different hats-sound designer,producer-tune arrangement,musician-you need to know musical theory ,at list in basics,mixer,sound engineer.
Its shitload of material to cover.So when you started producing,to what you paid attention first,and what later?
(I still haven't finished my first track,cause by the time I made decent arrangement,I learn something new about -mixing,or about different synthesis options,how to mix better and what not.Its driving me crazy sort of speak.And not mentioning all those moments when it is totally sounds like shit,and I delete all of it).
  From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)
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dreadieg
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Posted : May 7, 2011 22:51
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alot of us also throw our own parties, make our own deco, promote and all that jazz.
i dunno, everytime i finish a track, i've learned more in the making than in actually reading or studying.
just go with it, it's taken me about a year and a half to actually make sounds and arrangements i like.
and they suck, but that's cause i've learned more ,so the next one will be better. |
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psyraal
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Posted : May 7, 2011 23:00
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I think you will get a variety of answers to your question? - (How producers handle incoming and new knowledge all the time?) Did i got it right?
Well the reason why you are driving to the nut road is because your brain is constantly learning, new techniques, new ways of doing arrangements, how to do this or that sound better etc. I got the same feeling back when i started (Not that long ago though), and you should really only care about how your music sounds. Technical terms, production methods, song arrangements, you should start out with you think its your strengh. (Assuming you're in the beggining stage, but then again, we all are)
If you have a tune worked up, and you like it (even if its still a small seed) don't give up, really, do not fucking give up on your good projects.
If you believe that everytime you learn something new and you end up screwing that song seed, take a step back, put your brain into 'details/improvement' function and apply your recent learning "lessons" into your own existing projects.
Baby steps.
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greenball
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Posted : May 8, 2011 07:25
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a cat in a hat? |
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mudpeople
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Posted : May 8, 2011 08:41
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Yeah, baby steps, dont be in a rush, let it come in its own time 
First I started trying to make tracks, cuz I could do that without having to pay a whole lot of money that I didn't have.
Then when I could I started collecting CDs, then got a pair of CDJ100s and a DJM300 and learned to mix CDs.
Once I learned to mix well enough, and got some demos around town, I ended up meeting people willing to help get a party together, one guy with the sound system, another guy who worked at a rental shop who hooked up a 6kw generator, another guy with a tent thing for the dj booth, and djs willing to come play, all of which cost me personally the price of 10 gallons of gas.... Not counting the fines I had to pay cuz the cops broke it up, it turns out theres a noise curfew in national forests, 10p to 6am we have to be quiet cuz the trees and mountains are sleeping (cuz there certainly wasnt any people complaining). Only so far been part of organizing that single party, back in 07.
Only recently, like within the past 2 years, have I really become a producer, not just a music writer, by whihc I mean the engineering/processing end of it, mixing down properly, using studio techniques such as mono-conversions and mid-side encoding and good stuff like that.
And also recently really have begun to truly understand mastering, how to properly use the right tools for post-processing, and discovering that I really don't like to master my own stuff, other than increasing the gain and usually putting a limiter with -.1db ceiling. Im too nice to my tracks, I think, to have them peak at 0 or -.1db with the straight lined top and bottoms of the waveform throughout like released stuff often is, to let my tracks clip at all even if the clipping and limiting is transparent enough that it doesnt really take anything important out... Ive come to the decision that til I can get a pro to do it Ill just do teh basic treatment.
It took a long time, and a lot of patience, a lot of frustration, a LOT of sitting at the computer, a lot of self-examination, a lot of learning what NOT to do, and a WHOLE LOT OF LOVE.
Its gonna take a lot of dedication to push past the frustration that crops up during the learnign process. I wont lie and say that its easy, or always a lot of fun, or good for your self confidence, but when you finally get good results it makes it all worthwhile. Its my firm belief that anyone willing to spend the time and effort can learn to make music, without a musical background or musical education, or artistic talent, so long as they're not a total tin-ear.
Best advice I can ever give and was ever given was, if youre not willing to dedicate yourself fully to the process, and stick it out, and not give up when its frustrating, don't even start. The world needs dancers and fans, too, and theyre just as important as the producers, djs, and promoters. Its not going to be fun, easy, make money, get you famous, get you free into parties, what its going to be is a lesson in dedicating yourself fully, body and spirit, to your art, and a test of your determination to truly realize the dream. Do it cuz you LOVE it, because it satisfies, because it fulfills you. Stick through it and soon enough your dream will be realized and it will repay all the struggle a thousand times over.
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supergroover
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Posted : May 8, 2011 10:50
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^What he said..
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : May 8, 2011 17:45
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knocz
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Posted : May 8, 2011 18:08
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On 2011-05-07 22:29:05, jekvan wrote:
And not mentioning all those moments when it is totally sounds like shit,and I delete all of it).
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One comment: Don't delete it because it sounds bad.. Just go and check out Skazi and SUN Project's first albums, in ters of sound quality (and comparing to what's available today) id sounds like crap. But that crap took them a very long way!
With each project you make you a putting down new ideas and learning in the process. Later on you will know more, and you can always come back and fix it! I a lot of my old unfinnished tracks I sometimes just need to change the kick and bass a little bit, fix a couple of details and it suddenly has a rgeat quality to my ears!
Worst case screnario the project just sucks beyond repair: but you still have the midi, and the synth presets, and your chains.
Don't be afraid to make radical changes!
Super Banana Sauce http://www.soundcloud.com/knocz |
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