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How do we integrate ideals with reality?
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Ascension
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 14:54
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light-o-matic
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LOL! Yea that is it, I'm KGB, you got me 
Or maybe I just want to know where your parties are so maybe I can go to them, or help you...
Anyway I am sorry, I don't see how all this has any bearing on whether psytrance parties should cost money or not cost money. Money is just pieces of paper or numbers representing something. It is up to us to make it represent what we want it to represent. Money isn't unethical or ethical, people are. If we are just a bunch of greedy bastards who only take and don't give, then what difference does it make if we embrace money or reject money, we are still greedy bastards. Rejection of "capitalism" or money does not turn crappy ethics into good ethics. BTW, this is the same problem that took down the hippie movement in the 60's/70's. You can complain about capitalism all you want.. but in the end it does not matter what economic model you use, a community cannot survive if its members do not produce as much as the community consumes. A basic ethical principle: Do not ask others to give that which you would not give. Case in point, the massive amounts of electronics and other technology we require.. how can we ask others to labor for us to create these things yet we are not willing to labor for them?
What kind of psytrance ethics do we have to bring into the world and teach the world if we cannot even be ethical within our own culture? You complain about the use of money out in the mainstream culture but we cannot handle it ethically in our own culture. What example should we be setting for the rest of the world.. that re should all reject capitalism and just be a bunch of takers? The takers on Wall Street that you complain about are no worse than the takers in our own culture.
I see this same discussion over and over, it always comes down to the same thing. People want parties, they want electronic music made with expensive and complicated equipment.. etc etc. But they don't want to do anything for it. Then there is a bunch of spiritual mumbo jumbo to justify it... But really people just want others to do all the work and for them to enjoy the results.. They don't mind other people spending money as long as it isn't them. Then they go to parties and come home and sit in front of the COMPUTER, get on the INTERNET, and complain.. ON A FORUM THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO CREATE.. about how the party wasn't good enough or cost too much, and if we could only get rid of those greedy capitalists, the parties would be so great...
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karmavsDogma
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 21:48
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On 2009-02-26 19:00, light-o-matic wrote:
LOL! Yea that is it, I'm KGB, you got me
Or maybe I just want to know where your parties are so maybe I can go to them, or help you...
Anyway I am sorry, I don't see how all this has any bearing on whether psytrance parties should cost money or not cost money. Money is just pieces of paper or numbers representing something. It is up to us to make it represent what we want it to represent. Money isn't unethical or ethical, people are. If we are just a bunch of greedy bastards who only take and don't give, then what difference does it make if we embrace money or reject money, we are still greedy bastards. Rejection of "capitalism" or money does not turn crappy ethics into good ethics. BTW, this is the same problem that took down the hippie movement in the 60's/70's. You can complain about capitalism all you want.. but in the end it does not matter what economic model you use, a community cannot survive if its members do not produce as much as the community consumes. A basic ethical principle: Do not ask others to give that which you would not give. Case in point, the massive amounts of electronics and other technology we require.. how can we ask others to labor for us to create these things yet we are not willing to labor for them?
What kind of psytrance ethics do we have to bring into the world and teach the world if we cannot even be ethical within our own culture? You complain about the use of money out in the mainstream culture but we cannot handle it ethically in our own culture. What example should we be setting for the rest of the world.. that re should all reject capitalism and just be a bunch of takers? The takers on Wall Street that you complain about are no worse than the takers in our own culture.
I see this same discussion over and over, it always comes down to the same thing. People want parties, they want electronic music made with expensive and complicated equipment.. etc etc. But they don't want to do anything for it. Then there is a bunch of spiritual mumbo jumbo to justify it... But really people just want others to do all the work and for them to enjoy the results.. They don't mind other people spending money as long as it isn't them. Then they go to parties and come home and sit in front of the COMPUTER, get on the INTERNET, and complain.. ON A FORUM THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO CREATE.. about how the party wasn't good enough or cost too much, and if we could only get rid of those greedy capitalists, the parties would be so great...
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 23:19
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Background check, not a credit reading is a jester, only to be safe in these times. It can keep you from a fix, Psychic Spies are real. Sometimes I am a ButtGrass from my experiences, although it does hint Hillbilly slam-psytrance with cords of blue hues.
I think blue reflects Throat Chakra, its tone oscillates in the 30th octave with 141.27 Hz.
Punk vs hippie, the same thing...
I haven't taken my medication, if your wondering...
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 23:54
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Today is :
White Planetary Wizard
I perfect in order to enchant
producing receptivity.
I seal output of timelessness
With the planetary tone of manifestation.
I am guided by the power of spirit.
I am a galactic activation portal...
happy day kin 114
I love the Star Wars program, it's so so psyfi and we can/are integrate(ing) ideals with reality....
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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WonderTrance
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wow, that sounds so good, Ben.. |
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WonderTrance
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 00:02
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*everybody* is reading this, right? |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 00:07
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I hope so... I can only hope we take the correct steps this time. We've been building up for this moment for thousands of years..
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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damon
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 01:01
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BrainLizzard
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Just to be clear, light-o-matic's post is on point. So please don't think I don't support what he typed and if you can understand what I've been typing you should already know that..
Energy of Activation Kinetics is all they will let me say. Its like eating spaghetti and getting a chemical change, maybe so so. No really, I have zero marbles.
Winter is almost over, so my time is getting shorter. This topic is worldwide and i am merging many thoughts into one to save time..
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 02:41
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On 2009-02-27 02:07, BrainLizzard wrote:
Its like eating spaghetti and getting a chemical change, maybe so so. No really, I have zero marbles.
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I forgot to say that bluegrass only looks GREEN if you look at it wrong, without the love you may not get it, other variables may change that thought..
How do we integrate ideals with reality is very well asked.
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 22:46
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On 2009-02-26 19:00, light-o-matic wrote:
LOL! Yea that is it, I'm KGB, you got me
Or maybe I just want to know where your parties are so maybe I can go to them, or help you...
Anyway I am sorry, I don't see how all this has any bearing on whether psytrance parties should cost money or not cost money. Money is just pieces of paper or numbers representing something. It is up to us to make it represent what we want it to represent. Money isn't unethical or ethical, people are. If we are just a bunch of greedy bastards who only take and don't give, then what difference does it make if we embrace money or reject money, we are still greedy bastards. Rejection of "capitalism" or money does not turn crappy ethics into good ethics. BTW, this is the same problem that took down the hippie movement in the 60's/70's. You can complain about capitalism all you want.. but in the end it does not matter what economic model you use, a community cannot survive if its members do not produce as much as the community consumes. A basic ethical principle: Do not ask others to give that which you would not give. Case in point, the massive amounts of electronics and other technology we require.. how can we ask others to labor for us to create these things yet we are not willing to labor for them?
What kind of psytrance ethics do we have to bring into the world and teach the world if we cannot even be ethical within our own culture? You complain about the use of money out in the mainstream culture but we cannot handle it ethically in our own culture. What example should we be setting for the rest of the world.. that re should all reject capitalism and just be a bunch of takers? The takers on Wall Street that you complain about are no worse than the takers in our own culture.
I see this same discussion over and over, it always comes down to the same thing. People want parties, they want electronic music made with expensive and complicated equipment.. etc etc. But they don't want to do anything for it. Then there is a bunch of spiritual mumbo jumbo to justify it... But really people just want others to do all the work and for them to enjoy the results.. They don't mind other people spending money as long as it isn't them. Then they go to parties and come home and sit in front of the COMPUTER, get on the INTERNET, and complain.. ON A FORUM THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO CREATE.. about how the party wasn't good enough or cost too much, and if we could only get rid of those greedy capitalists, the parties would be so great...
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I support what you have noticed light-o-matic.. I view this thought as half full, like a glass of water.. What's our conclusions? ...
We have established them Dayz from lost focus it seems, Are we saying we are back on track?
Why do we put suits in a garment bag and garments in a suitcase? How can there be "self help GROUPS"? How can someone "draw a blank"? Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
What's Sociolinguistics?
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light-o-matic
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 23:15
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On 2009-02-27 22:46, BrainLizzard wrote:
How can someone "draw a blank"?
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LOL! Words are awesome. Lookey here:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/draw-a-blank.html
Suit vs garment.. suit is a set of clothes to be worn together whereas a garment could be just a single piece of clothing. I don't know if that has any etymological significance but probably...
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karmakanik
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 23:30
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when will the rhetorical questions end? |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 23:49
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When peoples thoughts become action, instead of hippie thoughts of yesteryear's vibrational tones.
The environmental demands of our economic system now fill the available environmental space of the planet. This has brought us to a historic transitional point in the evolutionary development of our species from living in a world of open frontiers to living in a full world, in a mere historical instant. We now have the option of adjusting ourselves to this new reality or destroying our ecological niche and suffering the consequences.
Karmakanik, why are you trying to shut information down that can integrate ideals with reality?
What is a technician in mechanics called that works on Karma?
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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