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How do we integrate ideals with reality?
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 01:42
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A party is the product of a group that had share an experience and put their resources together to celebrate it.
A party is never free, but the price of a party is more than numbers on a piece of paper called money
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agreed.
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 03:25
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i have a free party every night...in, or sometimes out, of my pants....sometimes theres trance, sometimes theres even other people...
what IS a party?
Partys/concerts...aka festivals, are NOT just parties....keep that in mind.... partys are generally free...its the talent and other resources that are needed for a concert that make up ticket prices.....you're more than welcome at any of my events free of charge, but you gotta wear earplugs and or stay out of earshot of the CONCERT, or you're freeloading....and eventually, if everybody gives away what they got, eventually theres no more to give
Do we really need to hash this out more?
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mez
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 05:21
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This is not just about parties.
Gui"aum"trix I really think that your speaking from your heart on the subject. Your advice is the path I have chosen more or less. This is exactly what Tim Leary advised people that were turned on to do. I think at times it is appropriate but I also think it's a cop out. I mean, when all the intelligent, positive and creative people abandon society what will our schools, cities and government be made of.
I believe we can better integrate what the psychedelic experience means to us into the world. I think that mind expansion directly correlates with a progressive society. These are my ideals Ben. I love trance and so much that goes with it. I hate to see it reduced to a fashion or an off shoot of "alternative" commercialism.
I feel like Cosm copped out, Sure they are attempting to create a new sanctuary for people who are interested in consciousness expansion, but they left the urban landscape high and dry. We need our entheocentric salon, it's so much more than a party. It's a means of creating a solution.
I do lots of free events, I run regular free film screenings/experimental music and performance events/ plus a monthly psytrance party. I understand that events take investments both in time and in commodities.
So back to the original topic concept, can we work together to compile a list of events, locations and organizations that offer free/barter or otherwise anti-capitalist means of creating an artist and psychedelic atmosphere? |
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hardkornate
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 05:37
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It costs me about 10k to do a proper 8 hour indoor show.
Sorry, but free ain't happening unless you're talking about something on the promoters land with donated DJ's and a tiny system.
Actually, if someone has free land, I could probably pull off a $5 show... |
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Gui"AUM"etriX
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 07:48
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As i said before, there is no such thing as a free party. Not only i believe that people who didn't participate in the creation process of one should pay a fee, but also should put a "fight" to get to it: anything that will be considered a Journey or the reenactment of a Journey, like having to walk for 45mn in the dark to get to it, if it's an outdoor event. It's about creating bounds and trust, to attain a higher feeling of freedom between the attendees.... |
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light-o-matic
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 08:11
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Interesting thoughts mez. Where are you located?
The problem I see here, where I really very much disagree with what you are saying, is your problem with money. What is the problem exactly? Money is only a medium of exchange, your effort for someone elses effort. There's nothing wrong with that. Some people feel barter or gifting is a superior system.
But in the end it is the same. Each person who consumes but does not contribute in kind is a drain on the others in the community who were willing to contribute more.
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 11:28
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Sweeeeet, the Conscious War is starting... It's been here for sometime,LOL
Outside of the 60's having more impact because it was cheap... They became aware hence rebelled against the social structures and came together. Are we coming together? Most give reason to not change anything in the name of love or because they've seen it not work somewhere else?
The same type of integrity that was rebelled against then, has leaked its way into our culture now, masked as ourselves through family, light, standards and all that hippie shit with some damn good sales pitches, I must say...
Please list a free party? Be careful in your answer please... Babylon might be closer than you feel.
Anything that hints Revolutionary means War, in this case, our psyche collective consciousness at WAR in reaching the light through freedom of thought. the rest has been edited.
-Larry asked : Where could one find a time TIME KEEPER?
-Sam said : That's a trick question
-Dianna replied : When pigs fart, does it smell like bacon?, that's a trick question..
We are reflecting our global social structure with its Leaders to a tee. Our Standards are our leaders in trance/dreamland, The Jedi and the Seth's know that.... The finical impact is just the bait to bring us down to create more fear and no thought in a NWO way. The terrorism is the decoy so we wont notice it in our Minds. The Seth's here, support that system in an unconscious way, I hope...
You must forgive me if you are lost from my understanding.. I had to shortened what I wanted to say because "LIFE IS YOGA", would of really got some peeps lost..
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damon
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 17:42
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On 2009-02-25 01:37, ohmshantiohm wrote:
Dude! Im so down, why dont you provide the venue, generator, sound equipment, ill bring Chai, Water and im sure I can find 4/5 people to dj for free. this is gonna be so great i cant wait!
dont you hate it when people act like smartasses? 
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Dude! How about we swap our resources?
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Ascension
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 20:48
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From what I understand (if I'm wrong, let me know), Gemini is free in part because Rich makes money off other parties he throws during the year. I wouldn't assume those profits pay all the costs for it, but I'm sure they help.
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 23:44
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Gemini is not free....
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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hardkornate
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 01:28
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On 2009-02-25 20:48, Ascension wrote:
From what I understand (if I'm wrong, let me know), Gemini is free in part because Rich makes money off other parties he throws during the year. I wouldn't assume those profits pay all the costs for it, but I'm sure they help.
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I'm pretty sure Rich loses his ass. |
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karmavsDogma
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 02:04
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parties that are free to attend are few and far between because those who throw them often can't afford to shell out the $2000 (minimum) that is often needed to actually pull off a good event that everyone will enjoy. Try funding a free (to attend) party yourself and see what happens.
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nicksynergy
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 03:44
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You should look at your ideals and see how workable they are in reality before you expect them to be easily integrated, especially by everyone else.
Perhaps if life were like Star Trek, and we had a limitless source of free energy and could make anything we wanted out of thin air with a replicator, we wouldn't need money or be burdened by the process of exchanging values/resources. You might consider applying your energies in this area, such that you may bring human civilization even one step closer to making this a reality.
Anti-capitalist ideals have been integrated into reality... many times. You might consider moving to a country like North Korea (where such integration has taken place) and seeing firsthand how wonderfully utopian their society is. I bet they have some of the BEST trance parties... |
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hardkornate
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 05:48
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On 2009-02-26 03:44, nicksynergy wrote:
You should look at your ideals and see how workable they are in reality before you expect them to be easily integrated, especially by everyone else.
Perhaps if life were like Star Trek, and we had a limitless source of free energy and could make anything we wanted out of thin air with a replicator, we wouldn't need money or be burdened by the process of exchanging values/resources. You might consider applying your energies in this area, such that you may bring human civilization even one step closer to making this a reality.
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The most helpful thing people can do to make the parties better and cheaper is to constantly invite new people. The more people come, the better AND cheaper it gets. |
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mez
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 08:33
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Money is in my experience the largest and most powerful means of creating hierarchy. This leads to the oppression of the occupants of the lower levels of the hierarchy. Do they deserve it? does anyone?
Not only that... The money isn't even real. there is no backing for your money. It's quite literally an instrument for creating social trust. Maybe you could call this a social contract. You work your job, a numerical value transfers into your virtual account, and then you take that number and give it to someone else, and they give you material goods to survive. The grocer at the market that gives you your food in exchange for your plastic certificate of membership to the social order(Debit and Credit Cards).
A work/live exchange. Why not drop the facade already.
The banks are now federalized. So the wealth you think you own is actually integrally related to the actions of the government. It isn't just your taxes that create the bombs that destroy cities and human lives. It's all completely interconnected and part of the larger system of control.
Nicksynergy I don't expect ease. I am urging against complacency. I am not asking everyone to follow, quite the opposite. I am asking people to question the ethics of their lifestyles. And I am asking people to consider trying to make the trance scene exemplary of a better way of life.
Why mention North Korea, That's fascism. Many revolutions start with good intentions but quickly become something entirely different. Violent Revolution is reductionist. Change can occur without bombs.
Ben, why do you want to know where I am located? Are you KGB?
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