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How do u know when your kick is in tune?
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aciduss
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 16:53
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My problem is you expecting to get information all processed up and ready to just copy it.
Music production is more like a practice & learn stuff. Today you have more resources than we had a few years ago (not to say a decade or two).
There are tons of youtube "psytrance tutorials", there are forums filled with info, there are free vsts and an incredible amount of people devoted to crack and distribute illegal great plugins.
I could help you understand the plugin, i could help you understand the manual, synthesis, sine waveforms, pitch bend and all of that, but sorry i am not making a video on this, since it is actually pretty simple.
I fully understand you, when i first came here i wanted someone to mail me a complete song in FL Studio native format so i could actually see what they do to create the magic, but i didn't get any, and i learned the hard way (i thank that now).
If i make a video for you, you will probably just use my method to obtain tuned kicks which could be wrong, or there could be other interesting ways you could learn by tweaking it on your own. Also, how do you expect to actually learn about it if i just deliver the right way to you? Life is about falling and getting up again.
Perhaps you can explain the EXACT problem with your kicks and i could help but no video, i don't even have software to record screencast.
Again, bazzism is very powerful, very simple and tuning kicks is just about matching the ending fqncy with the root note of your bass / track.
Go play with 6 sliders and understand each one of them, download psy kicks and analyze wave form, try to recreate any of them in bazzism, look at the graph in the upper right corner of bazzism's interface and understand how a kick is really made, if you then have any doubts i could help.
Bazzism is made by this guys called themselves "Intelligent Sound & Music" go and make some intelligent sound & music. Most of the people around here had invested much time and effort learning the stuff we know and we still have much to learn... sorry if i was mad at the moment but even tho i pretty much like to help peers out i also like to motivate personal growth, experience you get by trial and error is not something you can get with a video tutorial. As i said before, learn to learn.
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cyclone
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 17:10
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On 2009-09-24 16:53, aciduss wrote:
My problem is you expecting to get information all processed up and ready to just copy it.
Music production is more like a practice & learn stuff. Today you have more resources than we had a few years ago (not to say a decade or two).
There are tons of youtube "psytrance tutorials", there are forums filled with info, there are free vsts and an incredible amount of people devoted to crack and distribute illegal great plugins.
I could help you understand the plugin, i could help you understand the manual, synthesis, sine waveforms, pitch bend and all of that, but sorry i am not making a video on this, since it is actually pretty simple.
I fully understand you, when i first came here i wanted someone to mail me a complete song in FL Studio native format so i could actually see what they do to create the magic, but i didn't get any, and i learned the hard way (i thank that now).
If i make a video for you, you will probably just use my method to obtain tuned kicks which could be wrong, or there could be other interesting ways you could learn by tweaking it on your own. Also, how do you expect to actually learn about it if i just deliver the right way to you? Life is about falling and getting up again.
Perhaps you can explain the EXACT problem with your kicks and i could help but no video, i don't even have software to record screencast.
Again, bazzism is very powerful, very simple and tuning kicks is just about matching the ending fqncy with the root note of your bass / track.
Go play with 6 sliders and understand each one of them, download psy kicks and analyze wave form, try to recreate any of them in bazzism, look at the graph in the upper right corner of bazzism's interface and understand how a kick is really made, if you then have any doubts i could help.
Bazzism is made by this guys called themselves "Intelligent Sound & Music" go and make some intelligent sound & music. Most of the people around here had invested much time and effort learning the stuff we know and we still have much to learn... sorry if i was mad at the moment but even tho i pretty much like to help peers out i also like to motivate personal growth, experience you get by trial and error is not something you can get with a video tutorial. As i said before, learn to learn.
Boom
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thats ok....you r right in some points...Zork helped a lot to understand and didnt need any video...
anyway thanks and no heart feelings.... |
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 20:57
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havent tried it much so maybe it s possible but imo bazzism would need one more frequecy sliders to set the end of the sweep.
i have noticed the kicks that work great or at least the one i like hit around 80/100 hz if few ms and then slowly decay to the fondamental of the bassline,in bazzism it go straight from the attack to the tail |
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 21:03
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On 2009-09-24 16:46, gutter wrote:
Psykick 4
amazing !!
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indeed i have that too
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 21:05
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On 2009-09-24 16:53, aciduss wrote:
My problem is you expecting to get information all processed up and ready to just copy it.
Music production is more like a practice & learn stuff. Today you have more resources than we had a few years ago (not to say a decade or two).
There are tons of youtube "psytrance tutorials", there are forums filled with info, there are free vsts and an incredible amount of people devoted to crack and distribute illegal great plugins.
I could help you understand the plugin, i could help you understand the manual, synthesis, sine waveforms, pitch bend and all of that, but sorry i am not making a video on this, since it is actually pretty simple.
I fully understand you, when i first came here i wanted someone to mail me a complete song in FL Studio native format so i could actually see what they do to create the magic, but i didn't get any, and i learned the hard way (i thank that now).
If i make a video for you, you will probably just use my method to obtain tuned kicks which could be wrong, or there could be other interesting ways you could learn by tweaking it on your own. Also, how do you expect to actually learn about it if i just deliver the right way to you? Life is about falling and getting up again.
Perhaps you can explain the EXACT problem with your kicks and i could help but no video, i don't even have software to record screencast.
Again, bazzism is very powerful, very simple and tuning kicks is just about matching the ending fqncy with the root note of your bass / track.
Go play with 6 sliders and understand each one of them, download psy kicks and analyze wave form, try to recreate any of them in bazzism, look at the graph in the upper right corner of bazzism's interface and understand how a kick is really made, if you then have any doubts i could help.
Bazzism is made by this guys called themselves "Intelligent Sound & Music" go and make some intelligent sound & music. Most of the people around here had invested much time and effort learning the stuff we know and we still have much to learn... sorry if i was mad at the moment but even tho i pretty much like to help peers out i also like to motivate personal growth, experience you get by trial and error is not something you can get with a video tutorial. As i said before, learn to learn.
Boom
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i knew that from the beginning anyways i just like to be reasured from time to time
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 21:25
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Just have a fast refresh on your spectrum analyzer, finalize your envelopes so there's no overlap with the bass, then tweak the speed of the pitch sweep until the root frequency is present and sufficiently sustained visibly.
That's in zebra though. |
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 21:28
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On 2009-09-24 21:25, bukboy wrote:
Just have a fast refresh on your spectrum analyzer, finalize your envelopes so there's no overlap with the bass, then tweak the speed of the pitch sweep until the root frequency is present and sufficiently sustained visibly.
That's in zebra though.
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how would a spectrum analizer help> wouldnt need one with bazzism right becasuse of it displaying the possable root hz 0-100hz
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Meta
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Posted : Sep 25, 2009 00:48
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A lot of detailed stuff in this thread... I remember from a long time ago the way to tune kicks was to put a shitload of distortion on it which accentuated the tone and made it easier to perceive, then adjust the pitch to match your track.
Turned out most of my kicks I liked at the time were already close to D or F which I end up writing a lot of songs in anyway, so I forgot about it.
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soulfood
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Posted : Sep 25, 2009 14:18
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On 2009-09-24 21:28, jizy wrote:
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On 2009-09-24 21:25, bukboy wrote:
Just have a fast refresh on your spectrum analyzer, finalize your envelopes so there's no overlap with the bass, then tweak the speed of the pitch sweep until the root frequency is present and sufficiently sustained visibly.
That's in zebra though.
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how would a spectrum analizer help> wouldnt need one with bazzism right becasuse of it displaying the possable root hz 0-100hz
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With some settings the kick won't get to the root before the bass comes in. This is actually the only reason I use analyzers, as my ears aren't great at listening to the pitch of lower frequency's.
I use sonogram and I can actually see the tail of the kick slide into the bass at the right moment using that. |
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Sep 25, 2009 16:34
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On 2009-09-23 21:03, aciduss wrote:
upload a video? for fuck sake, tweak it your self it is a 6 slider vst, how hard could it be?
Learn to learn.
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yepp 
anyway, figure out track frequency by bpm, root note of your choice according to this shit before, adjust, there u go.... just to have some direction. pretty easy, same u do in the tutz mentioned. if u know is another question.....
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 30, 2009 21:52
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naga
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Posted : Sep 30, 2009 23:58
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jizy
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Posted : Oct 1, 2009 00:03
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O , is it shit lol
Dam rite everytime I practice I get better, never perfect u can always do better.. But I just wondered if everything sounded audioble .. |
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Oct 3, 2009 02:40
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didn't had time to read all the replies but here it goes...
1- I use bazzism 2 to make my kick without giving importance to the frequency it uses. As long as it sits well with what Im going for.
2- Then I export it to wav 24bit to make sure there are no oscilations through the music (and no it doesn't loose quality if you are using a decent sampler to thriger it)
3- I open it in Battery 3 and use a spectrum analizer to tune it to the bass frequency
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Becktrank
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Posted : Oct 15, 2009 15:24
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On 2009-09-23 19:35, aciduss wrote:
Is not trial and error. Bazzism is a superior weapon, learn to use it and learn to think:
What determines the key of a kick imho is the ending frequency "fend"... last oscillations is what will mater and will or won't match the bass sound.
Just look for your bass note's frequency in a chart, if you are going for B1 for example use 61.7 all other paramters are just for giving character to your kick:
fStart will give you the oportunity to chose the initial frequency of the sweep, the higher the clickier it will be but i dont believe the starting frequency will actually determine kick's pitch.
tSweep will control how fast the sweep is going to happen this time you can control the strenght and thumb of your kick.
VSweep will control Sweeps "velocity" think of how prononced the sweep will be, this will give you control over the click - tail relationship.
Bazzism is the best way to get a kick match your bass, or to actually get it on exactly the tone you want, and as i said IMHO is just about ending frequency, since the actual sweep wont be in a specific tone but hum... sweeping, it is not until it stops and oscillates that big tail sinuswaves into specific fqncy that you get a tone.
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this is all one need to know to tune the kick with the bass
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