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how do I make a kick drum more elastique?
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oh-psychedelic
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 19:21
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Hi!
I just wonder how you guys make your kick drum more elastique ala the track paranoize -From cradle to filth.
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orange
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 20:56
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first it depents on the sample the better it is the best it soundz(this goes to synthesized kicks to)
second and very importand is the eq good eq makes a good kick better
3 is compression(but doesnt realy change the sound it only make a good kick sound louder)
4 is how good it fits with the bass
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NikC
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 21:58
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On 2006-01-27 20:56, orange-atropa wrote:
3 is compression(but doesnt realy change the sound it only make a good kick sound louder)
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I have to say I don't agree with you on this:
Firstly compression will not just make a kick louder, it will allow a kick to go louder by compressing it:
When you lower the threshold the sound actually becomes softer - it's the makeup gain that makes the sound louder...
a limiter (with a high ratio) will square the peaks and therefore make it possible to push the sound to a higher average volume (not peak volume)
Plus affecting the attack and decay of the compressor will significantly alter the sound itself.  Just depends on how it's used. www.myspace.com/beat_nik |
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orange
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 22:50
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On 2006-01-27 21:58, NikC wrote:
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On 2006-01-27 20:56, orange-atropa wrote:
3 is compression(but doesnt realy change the sound it only make a good kick sound louder)
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I have to say I don't agree with you on this:
Firstly compression will not just make a kick louder, it will allow a kick to go louder by compressing it:
When you lower the threshold the sound actually becomes softer - it's the makeup gain that makes the sound louder...
a limiter (with a high ratio) will square the peaks and therefore make it possible to push the sound to a higher average volume (not peak volume)
Plus affecting the attack and decay of the compressor will significantly alter the sound itself. Just depends on how it's used.
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agreed nikc i mean that it doesnt radicaly affect the sound like eq (exept if extremly used) an d i totaly egree wit what you said but it want make a bad kick to sound full and elastic is what i meant!
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C3PO
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 23:30
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Equilibrium
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 23:42
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Aside from compression and EQ to a kick sample, there's also alot that can be achieved in a track by routing the whole mix thru a compressor whilst routing the kick to the sidechain input.
This can be used for everything from extreme hard trance pumping to more subtle deep house ducking, just enough to let the decay of the kick sail thru the mix, dialed in to what ever level ls needed.
This can then be followed by another compressor or limiter over the resultant mix.
Of course, a large part of what we 'hear' is actaully the positioning of one sound against another to give the impression of power/volume/distance etc..., ie contrast.
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sideFXed
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Posted : Jan 28, 2006 04:13
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I don't know the specific track but I get best results in combining kicks, like having the attack of one kick and the oomph of another one...
while synthesizing your kick, make different versions and try reversing small bits before the sample cuts itself... can add some groove. Try to delay or predelay bassline some ms, that works with the kick and leads aswell. (maybe someone can give some good hints as I'm still exploring that stuff)
sidechaining is a very good way to introduce more smack to the kick and a wobbly feel of the bassline on extreme settings.
does anyone ever use shuffle like they often do in house? like change the speed between k h k h k h with intervals ?
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oh-psychedelic
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Posted : Jan 29, 2006 03:37
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Thanks for the tips! I have been trying this aswell, but still cannot come close to that kick elastique sound.
Just have to keep on trying something more.
perhaps some vst or fx? |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 29, 2006 04:04
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Dont realy know what paranoize are using
but try Battery 2
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 11:42
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I'm not sure about that particular track by paranoize, but i've got the impression that some of their other tracks use a sine-wave that is gated by a very short kick (just the click). This is a side-chaining technique where you send the kick to a side-chain of a compressor which set to gating (it increases the gain of the sound going into the compressor when the side-chain input is above the treshold). The sound input into this gate is a pure sine wave, probably somewhere between 40 and 100 Hz. It works like this: when the short kick-click hits, the gate is triggered and a portion of the sine-wave will be heard: this sine wave functions as the "oomph" of the kick, but since no other frequencies but the click and the pure sine wave are present, the kick will occupy only a limited frequency range and you can make a very clean mix. By setting the attack and release parameters of the gate you also have control over the way the oomph of the kick "bounces".
Djeez, these explanations of routings take so many words and it sounds overcomplicated! Luckily in practice it is very easy to set up such a gate.
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PRAECOX
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 12:41
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On 2006-01-27 23:30, C3PO wrote:
a good compressor should be able to change the sound to unrecognizable levels, if that's what you looking for.
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is it good or is is not? are u really aware why u use dynamic processors?
"Soft as possible" - Morton Feldman
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C3PO
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