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how do i do this kind of env / ADSR
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zwarag
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Posted : Sep 19, 2013 20:30:04
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yeah i kinda need to shape my main evelope of my synth like that. Is it possible with standard ADSR Envelope?
Because it would be so easy if i could just the slope of the decay..
its always negative isn't it? .. |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Sep 19, 2013 20:41
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zwarag
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Posted : Sep 19, 2013 21:22
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another occurenace that brings the razor nearer..
you guys do know if virus ti is able to do so?
Faxi you do all kind of strange stuff when i look your pictures. With all these modulators and oscilators and so on, what do you use?? |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Sep 19, 2013 22:02
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Sep 19, 2013 22:31
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On 2013-09-19 21:22, zwarag wrote:
you guys do know if virus ti is able to do so?
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it is, but not directly. you can modulate the envelope with itself (recursive modulation): thus changing the slope of the desired stage of the envelope. that shape would be possible, yes.
but there are software synthesizers that let you do it directly, even Albino 3.
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on the Virus the filter envelope can modulate filter envelope's attack and/or decay. (or any of the other envelopes, it's recently got more freely assignable ones!)
given that the attack time is an upwards movement, with the same settings it can make the attack convex and the decay concave - because it's a downward moving vector. as you may have figured out already, you control the slope by adjusting the amount of this modulation.
(I'm sure that linear isn't in the middle, since the Virus's envelopes are not exactly linear by default, but can't be sure about the exact numbers for getting a linear kind of envelope on it. )
but to put it simple: positive self-modulation causes convexity and negative self-modulation causes concavity!
for that given shape you'd need the decay modulating itself with a positive amount, for example. |
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 19, 2013 23:45
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imo this decay curve is rarely needed ? for what kind of stuff you want it? plenty of soft have flexible envelop but personaly almost never use curve like this maybe i should. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Sep 21, 2013 10:58
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On 2013-09-19 23:45, PoM wrote:
imo this decay curve is rarely needed ? for what kind of stuff you want it? plenty of soft have flexible envelop but personaly almost never use curve like this maybe i should.
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if you're modulating the pitch with an envelope, it's quite useful to be able to change this curves. I'm sure you do it when creating a kick, for example. and for longer modulations, this change becomes quite apparent, sometimes it's all it takes to make, say, a Moog-ish patch sound more convincing is to change the curves for the amp's envelope.
what I think matters the most for this, is that exponential curves many times sound better - and more organic - then linear. for example: the pitch going down two octaves at the same speed sounds a lot different then the pitch going down fast first, then slowly.
no idea what this specific envelope shape would be used for to... but I figure that with the sustain being so high, he must be looking for something that smooths going from decay stage to sustain stage, possibly for modulation - don't think this would be particularly useful (or noticeable) for the amp's envelope...
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dimitrilentryptamine
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Posted : Sep 21, 2013 13:43
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yeah in the albino enveloper u can choose the curve of almost every part of the envelope, and give to the sound this round slope, i think for u it would be the easiest way |
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Agorit
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Posted : Sep 21, 2013 19:04
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U want a synth that can do this envelope shape ? |
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zwarag
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Posted : Sep 21, 2013 22:01
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@agorit, what do you have for me? |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Sep 21, 2013 23:22
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On 2013-09-21 22:01, zwarag wrote:
what do you have for me?
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regular ADSFR envelope on Albino with adjustable curves!
Multi-Staged envelopes on Zebra
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Agorit
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Posted : Sep 22, 2013 00:57
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As freesb said. Zebra has mseg = mult stage envelope generator that do it verywell. U can apply it for everything. Fm8 has a nice custom envelope too. But if u told us what u really want we can be more specify. But in general zebra rox |
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loki
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Posted : Sep 22, 2013 06:52
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Albino, Zebra, Omnisphere, Absynth, Massive, will all let you control the envelope shape.
And other than that, frisbeeheads's comment will let you do it with almost any synth.
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zwarag
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Posted : Sep 24, 2013 09:25
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thank you guys, i did it with albino and got some good output, but i think i will try it i in massive again! |
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nutrinoland
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Posted : Sep 27, 2013 06:46
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Fl studio's native plugins have envelope curves. Even if Your synth does not have curves, You can use Fruity envelope generator and use a fruity envelope on a third party synth parameter.
Curves are fun to automate. They can be used all over the place if You would like..since making music is about creating Your own sounds, You could use any tool anywhere and anytime. Even if No one else ever uses it.  |
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