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How did you work when you were a noob?
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Martian Arts
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Posted : Feb 27, 2011 18:45
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I started out learning synthesis on my university's Doepfer analog modular. It was also the first synth I bought...well modules as I made my own custom modular.
So it was a couple of years of synth programming with no memory (so no presets), before I started making tunes.
I always use samples for hi-hats and for acoustic percussion/drum loops as I can't be bothered to go into physical modeling synths to synthesize convincing acoustic sounds.
It took a while to get out of n00b like programming, but I'm grateful I learned this way, as I use no presets/samples for kick/bass/lead/drone sounds in my music.
Peace out.
 
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Mindblasterrr
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Posted : Feb 27, 2011 18:48
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Even professional musicproducers use samples from libraries, but it would be better to learn how create your own samples. My idea is to sitdown for a week and create your own sample library with fxs, drums, percussionloops etc.
Try to experiment as more as possible. Then you will learn how create a sound you want. Read about sounddesign in the web. I am sure there is a lot of stuff there.
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Martian Arts
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Posted : Feb 27, 2011 19:23
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It would be a lot harder for me to make, specifically psy-trance tunes, using samples from libraries.
Its much easier when I have total control over everything...saves time searching for stuff to put in.
Peace out.
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Mindblasterrr
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Posted : Feb 27, 2011 19:33
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Yes you are right, but using fx-, one shot- or drumsamples from the libraries you save time, too. I like to experiment with samples that in the end, you won´t recognize the original from the sample you hear in track. It is a fast way to create sounds. |
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L66
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Feb 28, 2011 08:42
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i am still a noob but i can explain more about the proccess i take, usually start off with a kick (bassizm)then create a bassline patch with either sylenth 1 or v-station powercore, work out what rolls nicely together, eq bit of bass and kick if it needs - sidechain the bass to kick and use my ears and change parameters back and forth(patch, compression, eq)add distortion, try and control bottom end or maybe somtime make two seperate copies of synths one with low one with all the highs(eq'ed) then in comes percussion, loops etc, i usually throw on sonnox dynamics and gate the loop maybe some compression a bit of distortion depending what fit or sounds good.
i eq all my hats snares sometimes layering two different types then bounce again add some reverb to fx chain then play with send levels.
after all that i start writing melodies, i copy bassline notes change a few around try keep everything in same key etc then loop that and make a patch either on my virus nord or jp, once i wright a few melodies i start stuffing around with effects chains (distotion, delay, reverse reverbs and such) then make a few fx some whooshy woosh sounds and a few uplifiting white noise patches bounce them and slowly everything starts comming together bit by bit i always like bouncing everything first though and chopping it slicing it stretching etc. i love manual glitching stuff.
Well thats most of what i do i have probably left somthing out for sure but yeah 1.5 years of music production and these are my noob methods for now.
cheers.
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Oni Katsu
Li/fe
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Posted : Feb 28, 2011 11:19
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On 2011-02-27 18:08, panike wrote:
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On 2011-02-27 17:27, Oni Katsu wrote:
Ok, since i'm a quite new producer it would be sort of interesting to see it from my point of view.
If you are a noob at music production, id say you have limited knowledge about it. I myself needed to get my hands on Logic to actually get some killer sounds.. Reason is just a monster to deal with, all those damned cables, my ass.
It's very satisfacting to initialize a patch and actually get a very killer sound, and know how to work with FX properly.
Using samples just.. i'm not saying it's cheating, i like a good voice sample now and then, and i usually sample kicks since i find that a little complicated, though i found a way to do it in the sylenth one.
anyway, what i'm saying is that when i was a total complete noob i used almost 70% presets
didnt know at all what the EQ did
i worked in reason
the compressor there was horrible and that didnt help me out much..
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thanks for all the replies, looking to your soundclound you have some killer sounds,especially the full on ones,when do you started producing?
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^^ Haha thank you so much!!
I started november 2009
as it says in my siggy actually 
http://soundcloud.com/li-fe
I said I like it dirty, not muddy. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Feb 28, 2011 15:28
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There's never a good reason to not learn something related to music production (synthesis, music theory, learning and instrument, etc). I spent time askind this same question and it all depends on choice/being happy with what you make. There's no such thing as "cheating" in production, but I think creating your own sounds is a far better path than using samples because it makes your music more unique (unless you're just copying synthesis techniques step for step ).
What it comes down to is that you'll have more control over a sound if you use a synth. Effects plugins can do a lot to manipulate a sample, but you're still working with that sample as the base of the sound.
http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Ascension
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Posted : Feb 28, 2011 15:34
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You should also find out if your samples are "wet/processed" (meaning they have effects on them) or "dry/unprocessed". If you end up using a lot of processed samples your skills in eqing, compression, whatever else was done to get the sample to sound the way it is won't develop as well compared to doing this yourself. These are intricate parts of production that every producer has to learn and learn well. Just something else to consider.
http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine
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Posted : Feb 28, 2011 17:13
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The question is very simple :
Do you want others sounds in your music or do you want your own pure one
when you know all is yours 100% - (This is an other/Deferent feeling) .
Take the time .. Work .. It will come ..
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specymen
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Posted : Feb 28, 2011 20:46
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i've started only on hardware. i've used the sampler to take sounds from film, tv, or to sample my synths.
now when i import a loop from a sample files, i always take a one shot inside (mostly snare) but i re-treated it because it never fit to y sound directly.
mostly i don't feel good with pre-made loops (but it's my feeling).
I really prefer to learn by myself, especially if you meet musicians from other styles- not electronic - i feel it more serious if you don't make a track using loops: otherwise what can you respond when they say that electro is easy to make .... |
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panike
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Posted : Mar 1, 2011 00:27
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On 2011-02-28 17:13, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
The question is very simple :
Do you want others sounds in your music or do you want your own pure one
when you know all is yours 100% - (This is an other/Deferent feeling) .
Take the time .. Work .. It will come ..
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wise words
Anyway,now im going to work on a new track (my 3rd ever) and i'll try to only use sounds made by me.
i'm going to do my best! you will see guys  |
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L66
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Posted : Mar 1, 2011 01:50
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Oni Katsu
Li/fe
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Posted : Mar 2, 2011 13:35
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On 2011-03-01 01:50, L66 wrote:
Hey Oni Katsu, i started producing the same exact time as you.
what daw u start off with?
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Haahahhaha cool ^^
i started off with Reason 4, it still scares me off.. It really sucks at KB as well
but i really like the malström synthesizer, easy to shape certain sounds into what you want..
Well, anyway i moved on to Logic at around august last year
http://soundcloud.com/li-fe
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Oni Katsu
Li/fe
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Posted : Mar 3, 2011 11:50
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@L66: I also checked out your tracks
I friggen love your arranging skills, sure are the bomb!!
http://soundcloud.com/li-fe
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monno
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 03:30
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2009 marked the 12th anniversary of me making music and i am happy to report i am still a noob.
Back in the good old days computers were crap and i only used them for midi sequencing my hardware. Flash forward and computers are still crap(faster crap yes) but can run audio AND midi (those writing entire tracks in midi using tons of sysex dumps and program changes, including me, were quite relieved when this fancy new thing called multitrack recording on computers was finally happening) Total recall back then was still just a movie starring Arnie, unless you happened to have some sort of trust fund situation going on for you.
Sure i learnt some stuff, picked up a few tricks on killargh-insert your track element here-, Released tracks & more blah blah, but when it comes to music, sound, engineering well i am still just scratching the surface. I am overall more structured in my approach to making tracks, but it´s still pretty much random what comes out when i sit down and work. I also remember spending a lot of time crafting sounds i can tweak out in seconds now.
As you learn more the ante is upped and even more is revealed unless you stay blinded to new ideas and technology.
Oh and i forgot to add....on the using premade samples bit, well i used some in the very beginning, but it does get a little old when i hear the same sample i used 10 years ago in new material by others. There are only so many ready made sounds available, but surely sooo many yet undiscovered. Best source for samples is one of those cheap zoom sd recorders and liberal use of fx and automation. A faucet dripping can become one of 1000 things with just a little manipulation, not to mention the fun that can be had sampling kitchenware.
I urge you all to watch the documentary called the alchemists of sound. Still to this day these people´s work amaze me and yet all of their methods were so simple and crude by todays standards. The difference was the attitude towards limitations and working around them i suppose Mastering available here:
http://www.bimmelim-soundlabs.com
http://soundcloud.com/onkeldunkel
http://www.myspace.com/onkeldunkelownz
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