aciduss
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 22:44
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Now I do not say the topic starter is not talented. My point is IF he got talent and is passionate about his music then he'll get there without the help of people in a forum. I will even go so far and say he would benefit a great deal keeping away from such forums and use the time in his studio
Jesus Beat Agency why do you come in this forum then?
I understand your whole originaltiy / talent point but i believe there is no problem with learning a couple of the super used psytrance sounds to add the arsenal.
Why don't you tell us how did you learn to produce trance music? all alone by urself?
There is no problem with people in forums teaching oldschool sounds and using them as base ground.
And for OP, yeah I also was intrigued a long time ago by these sounds... i kept thinking artists had this cult relationship based on sound traffic of squeals and squelches i kept listening at many electronica productions not just psy.
Then I found the Vengeance cds and it was all there... acid bites, chord stabs, and all the overused samples i kept listening and then i learned to make most of them on a simple synthesizer ... and understood that most of the "psytrance sound" comes from a set of particular timbres.
303, FM, Legato/Glide, Pitchy leads, etc... basic sound set to create instant psyflavored tracks... but these are just the elements... these are the colors of psytrance, what you do with them and how to mix / place them in the context of a track is what will manifest as something creative or not.
It is like if OP asked for a kind of guitar sound and the answer was mostly based on the use of a distortion pedal... is better to aid and say it is this yellow grunge pedal you know, and not telling the poster Y U NO ORIGINAL! GTFO AND FORGET ALL DREAMS CAUSE YOU CANT DIY ORIGINAL DISTORTION UNITS!
I'm here to learn, to share, to grow as a psytrance producer. Anyway, if you want to tell someone to be creative there are probably much more creative ways to do so than just ask them to stop copying sounds. Better advice on mind set and thinking process when sound designing.
For these, and many other native psytrance sounds, the key is to experiment with basically 2 main elements: Filter modulation & Pitch modulation.
Two apparently simple concepts but with a great potential when experimenting. The creative thought applied on these tools can unleash a very powerful soundset for every track you make.
In fact I have a couple of presets in my synths called like "squelch template" or "lazer template"... spend a while working on LFO / envelopes and profit killer psysounds each time... still more creative options come when fx processing and arranging.
So there, a little help.
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 22:52
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On 2011-08-08 22:44, aciduss wrote:
Why don't you tell us how did you learn to produce trance music? all alone by urself?
I believe I already covered that question a few pages back www.beatagency.dk
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 23:39
So what, because you sat by yourself until you got it right everyone else should do it the same? did you also learn everything else you know in life by yourself?
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 23:58
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On 2011-08-08 23:39, aciduss wrote:
So what, because you sat by yourself until you got it right everyone else should do it the same? did you also learn everything else you know in life by yourself?
No now you put words in my mouth (I never understood why people need to twist peoples words).
I never said anyone should do as me. I have my opinion and people have their opinions. Simple as that
And now you twist my words again. If you had cared to actually read what I wrote you would have noticed I said I am more than willing to help people with technical questions (those I can answer) - just not how to copy a killargh sound anyone use as I find it useless and not a benefit to the aspiring artist or the development of the music.
If you want to debate then please stick to what I actually said and not make up things I never said or meant www.beatagency.dk
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jeeboomba
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Posted : Aug 9, 2011 14:48
man you guys need to smoke more.. re-arrange what you thought was real
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Posted : Aug 9, 2011 15:35
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On 2011-08-09 14:48, jeeboomba wrote:
man you guys need to smoke more..
For real man,for real.
Now if only someone can share the technique of how to roll em killargh joints that go down without anihilating my throat...
From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)
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Posted : Aug 11, 2011 18:32
To make electronic music we have to learn sound techniques, and all of us, in adittion to the hours we have worked in the studio, know some techniques that the others don´t know by some kind of aleatory reasons. What´s wrong in sharing our techniques? I think is more usefull enriching this forum explaining our techniques than discussing if we have to be originals or not.
Here is my humble and basic contribution to the main reason of this post:
The first sound of this track actually is not the same that ale_chapora asked about, but I think is similar and is quite used in the progressive staff. Very basic technique:
- Take a sound of your synth that you think can work (the one of this song is a lead from a Virus TI2, but you can choose another kind of synthetic, or acid, or mystic, as you want, be original!!! )
- Add a 3 16th (or doted 8th, is the same) ping-pong delay
- Add flanger and reverb (spend a bit of time looking for a good result, be original!!!)
- Make longer the attack in the envelope.
- Be original!!!
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 00:00
In my honest opinion I think that some help would be great from the more experienced producers. Im still new in the production site but I see it this way:
There are so many techniques that we need to learn, hundreads, thouthends and in the end product we have an amount that difer from any other. No one can learn everything related to music, and trying to is an impossible task.
So depending to the interest of an certain producer, there will be an uptake of diferent techniques. With these we start to juggle and create our own picture.
And hey, even if the techniques are delivered on the silver plate, there will be an point where we will be unsatisfyed with the low knoledge we have about the subject and try to dig a bit deeper. That is how I see it, could be diferent for others of course.
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 00:21
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On 2011-08-09 15:35, jekvan wrote:
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On 2011-08-09 14:48, jeeboomba wrote:
man you guys need to smoke more..
For real man,for real.
Now if only someone can share the technique of how to roll em killargh joints that go down without anihilating my throat...
Oh shit! I can help you with that one . Prime exo herb is the key, along with real tight twisting, and you're in for the flavourful, gentle, and smooth haul.
Damn son, if you were in Canada, I would teach you that trick WHILE geeking out on music production and figuring out how to make the newest and latest killargh rips and squelches.
On a more serious note, why the FUCK is anyone still debating this?
Newbs, if you have a question about how to make a sound, ask away.
Experienced folk, if you don't want to answer that question, don't answer it.
Experienced folk, if you don't mind lending a helping hand, give the newbie some tips.
Newbs, if someone is being a dick about your question, just remember that they have nothing better to do than spend time on the internet actively making it an uglier, stupider, less compassionate place.
Is it that complicated? Get off your megalomania trips and stop using every time a newbie asks for help as an opportunity to brag about how you learned sound design all on your lonesome by locking yourself in a room with 40 Doepfer modules and a tape delay for 3 years.
Nobody cares to see you being a dick to new people - except for the other bullies who want to join in on your stuck-up, masturbatory little dance.
Grow the fuck up. Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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panike
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 00:58
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On 2011-08-08 21:31, Beat Agency wrote:
You know what. I'll be happy to help anyone asking a technical question regarding studio setup, mixing etc. if I know the answer. But someone asking to get help to make a sound because everyone use it and it's "cool" is not something I bother to help out with. Why? Because I believe I am not helping the guy at all. On the contrary I believe he would benefit way more from playing around with the synths (hardware or vsti) and discover his own sound and identity as a musician.
So be my guest and think we "preach". I don't think of it as preaching. I think of it as being honest to my own believes. And indeed to give advice as I see it. Then it's up to him to take my advice or not
Maybe your friend help you because he is your friend And don't give me bull about being less professional just because we do not help every person coming along asking how to make a kilarghhh sound.
Ever thought about why there is so much mediocre music these days? One answer could be that there are way too many people who live in a fantasy world thinking they have a talent for music making and then they rush to the nearest music community to get help how to make a bass-line.
Now I do not say the topic starter is not talented. My point is IF he got talent and is passionate about his music then he'll get there without the help of people in a forum. I will even go so far and say he would benefit a great deal keeping away from such forums and use the time in his studio
I can't agree with you on some points,you have the free will to not help other people achieving what you achived with hardwork (bassline,sound synthesis..whatever )
Look at me: do I produce shitty music? yes. Am i a noob? YES
Am i aware that my sounds suck? YES
Do i think i am the next goa gil? NO
I started producing because i love psytrance and i would like to express my feelings when i listen psytrance with "psytrance"
Earning money with my music is not a priority!I'd rather wake up in one morning and check my email and read this: yo mate i love your sounds i could dance all night listening to that. That for me its better then earning money. And i dont give a fuck if the big names won't help noob people because they are afraid of loosing their job,or they dont want to share their knowloedge....i don't care.You see?! music expression is free.
Do you have a drivers license? What if people who teached you driving told you that: ok you want to learn driving? but i'll tell you, you never be like airton senna and i think you would benefit more trying to drive by yourself, then asking for help...
you see... Leonardo da vinci had a guy who teached him how to paint... Does it made him a worse artist?
Dude nothing personal,im just saying that some of the people here,are doing this,because they love,not because they want to be the next astrix
Upavas
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 02:00
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On 2011-08-22 00:00, Freymuth wrote:
There are so many techniques that we need to learn, hundreads, thouthends and in the end product we have an amount that difer from any other. No one can learn everything related to music, and trying to is an impossible task.
So depending to the interest of an certain producer, there will be an uptake of diferent techniques. With these we start to juggle and create our own picture.
And hey, even if the techniques are delivered on the silver plate...
It actually isn't that much to learn, but if the technique is handed on a silverplatter you still won't understand it if you don't understand the basic principles.
I learned a lot by asking the right questions. And in my experience if I asked a pro the right questions, they will give you the answer you are looking for. At least most of the time. The problem for me was not knowing to ask the right questions.
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 02:38
So in this case, if I understand you right Upavas, it would be better to ask: Where can I learn more about synthesis and sound design?
What categories are there for psysounds and how can I understand the diference and basics between them?
The answer would give me a basic knowledge about what psy is about in the content and the other would permit to be original about it because I dont ask for a specific sound.
Tweaking would take to my very original sound.
Am I corect about this?
Of course, Im quite curious about this, and if you could give an answer, it would be very pleasing.
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On 2011-08-22 02:38, Freymuth wrote:
So in this case, if I understand you right Upavas, it would be better to ask: Where can I learn more about synthesis and sound design?
What categories are there for psysounds and how can I understand the diference and basics between them?
The answer would give me a basic knowledge about what psy is about in the content and the other would permit to be original about it because I dont ask for a specific sound.
Tweaking would take to my very original sound.
Am I corect about this?
Of course, Im quite curious about this, and if you could give an answer, it would be very pleasing.
As to the first question, absolutely yes ! I think it is a good idea to go fir a course, where one really learns how to design sound. Once you have the basics, you will be able to ask questions that a much mire in a context, and you will be able to understand why a correct answer was given and draw your own conclusions.
I never really cared about categories as far as trance is concerned, I simply write what I like. Having said that, there are certain tricks that apply to different genres, e.g. Ambient and dark.
Tweaking sound is the same thing, once you know what frequency modulation is you won't have to ask many questions, because you experiment and draw your own convlusion, tweaking IMO is part of the individuality of a sound, but nit all of it, arrangement, mix and structure also define your individual sound.
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com http://upavas.com http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/
